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If we get swept by the Dodgers, no problem. If we get swept by the Padres, fire sale!

So I didn't miss much.

I left right after Cust’s double, and it still looked like anyone’s game. Just got back and the A’s had no hits while I was gone? Sheesh.

Can we avoid the season sweep?

oaklandSMASH - June 14, 2009 reply

I'd like to see the pitchers brush back the hitters too.

Like on every throw…that’d be entertainment at least.

This game was quick and painful

day-to-day - June 14, 2009 reply

Not as upset about this

as the rest of you…

It’s one thing when the A’s make mediocre pitchers look great. That’s galling. It’s another thing when when the winning pitchers are last year’s Cy Young winner, a 300-game-winner destined for the Hall of Fame. and a guy who’s a sure thing for the 2009 Star Game.

I don’t like it, especially when it’s against the Giants, and team squanders two nice starts by Mazzaro and Outman along with way. But the A’s are a bad hitting team, facing good starters. Realistically, the team’s real opportunity for a win was in yesterday’s game, against a lefty, but they didn’t get it.

Lincecum and Cain vs. two rookies, the latter of whom is erratic at best. What do you expect?

bear88 - June 14, 2009 reply

good points

I was more upset by yesterday’s poor defensive play yesterday, than by Lincecum and Cain beating the A’s.

You're the voice of reason...

as usual. The season is going better than I expected but man, I hate losing to the Giants.

I mean ...bear, I hate losing to the Giants.

This season is going better than you expected?

I gather you expected Trevor Cahill to eat Kurt Suzuki just before finding out he was allergic to him?

We knew that we didn't have veteran starting pitching....except for Duke.

With the exception of Anderson the guys are pitching better than I had hoped.

Totally agree that the starters are doing better than expected but what about the rest of the team

The bullpen has regressed. With the exception of Suzuki the hitters have been terrible.

The guys are hitting as expected.

I thought Giambi might have some of his old magic so that was a surprise and I thought Ryan Sweeney might prove himself but the other guys? I knew Crosby couldn’t hit, I knew if Rajai Davis was in the lineup he’d be a negative,the bullpen is worse but not that much worse…and Ziggy is getting his strength back…this team on the whole is performing as expected and the SP is better than expected .

but no longer the voice of bullet points - i miss those

Fair criticism

It’s one of the reasons AN isn’t what it used to be.

And that’s all my fault.

bear88 - June 14, 2009 reply

AN was so much better back when you hadn't posted this comment yet

And they were dashes, not bullet points.

Am I helping?

(continues scrap-booking)

Totally, totally agree.

The Giants’ pitchers aren’t scrubs. You’re not going to have an easy time scoring off Lincecum, Johnson, and Cain.

And, Mazarro and Outman put pretty damn solid starts together. Can’t say the same about Anderson, but young pitchers are going to be inconsistent (although I do think AAA is the best place for Anderson right now).

Blicks - June 14, 2009 reply

+1 on Anderson going back to AAA.

We were at the game today and I can’t believe I spent $72.00 on two bleacher seats……2nd row and all but still…..just a total waste of time and money. The only thing that made it bearable was that it was less than two hours and we beat most of the traffic on the way home.

I’d presume the A’s are one losing streak away from their season being over. There just isn’t any hitting talent on this team. And boy, what a treat it is to find out Chavvy is done…again! Does this get any worse?

mrod - June 14, 2009 reply

"Does this get any worse?"

A’s fans should know better than to ask that.

I agree ... sort of

I have no problem losing to Lincecum, Johnson, and Cain.

I have a big problem being absolutely dominated by Lincecum, Johnson, and Cain. Big difference. We scored three runs in three games. I don’t care who you’re facing … Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, and Cy Young in their prime. Three runs in three games is embarassing. No excuse for that.

+1

Right now would be a good time for a change at manager

Give someone else a chance to see what they could do for the rest of the season. Who knows a kick in the pants might do this team some good.

Its obvious that Geren has failed to perform the most essential job as manager- to lead and motivate a team to victory.

All of the in-game strategy moves only gets you a few more wins a year. Its the leadership and team building that is essential.

I have given up on Geren long ago but his ‘defense’ of the players for letting that fly ball land last night is the proof that he has no clue on how to motivate people.

If he thinks that Crosby and Cust (neither of whom are Willie Mays) have such a weak ego that they couldn’t take being called-out or held accountable then he has no clue.

Its obvious that whatever techniques he uses to lead have failed (3 straight losing seasons is the proof of that)

For those who say he should not be judged based on player performance ask yourself this – Why was Macha fired? It was I suppose because of ‘communication/ player relationship conflicts. Thus, off-the field leadership is valued by the A’s.

The fact is that many players have failed to improve under Geren’s tenure (Crosby, Buck, Cust, Ellis, Casilla, Street) and many others have regressed upon arrival (the new players this season except for Kennedy and Bailey)

With an off-day and a trip out of town now would be the perfect time for a change.

To not make a change sends a very clear message to the team and that is WE TOLERATE POOR PERFORMANCE. Some will say so what many players (Cabrera, Springer, Garciaparra) are not part of the long-term plans. Well, many of the guys are. The worst message to send our young pitchers is that crappy playing is tolerated.

When you have rookies questioning Geren's moves

you know the whole roster probably wants him gone. Of course we don’t know this for sure but it’s a fair bet that most want to see him hone

And the sooner the better.

Exactly - Expect more bad vibes.

These are symptoms of what is a badly led team.

I think Geren is probably a good guy but his style of leadership/ management might not be the best fit for such a club.

Quotes...perhaps?

mrod - June 14, 2009 reply

Don't hold your breath

I think any day would be a good day to fire Geren.

But Beane is sticking with him, in an interview on KNBR I heard the other day, argued that his friendship with Geren actually gives Geren more autonomy because the two are on the same page. There’s no way that Beane dumps Geren now, not with the extension and the humiliation a midseason firing would cause.

bear88 - June 14, 2009 reply

I know

It’s wishful thinking.

The man with the giant ego will not do it. It would gain more respect but he is not going to do it.

Beane's also making the excuse that until he gives Geren a team he feels he can win with, he won't get rid of him for poor performance

Here's what I don't understand

Beane’s moves last offseason made it seem like THIS was the winning team. Especially the Holliday trade. In this market, there is no guarantee the A’s will get much back for Holliday. Especially not as much as what the A’s traded for him.

Cargon and Street are worth a lot.

Blicks - June 14, 2009 reply

I think that's entirely true

that Geren’s friendship with Beane gives him more autonomy rather than less.

That’s not a good thing. Geren needs less autonomy, not more.

For all the griping about Beane managing from the front office during the Howe and Macha eras, Beane is a pretty smart manager. Certainly smarter than Geren. If Beane were pulling the strings, we wouldn’t have seen most of the really stupid managing decisions we’ve seen this year. We’d bunt and steal less, and Cabrera wouldn’t have been leading off for the first two and a half months of the season.

I don’t think we can hope for Beane to fire Geren. I do hold out hope that Beane will wake up and tighten the reins and him and start telling him what to do more.

Unfortunately, that doesn't address the leadership part

which I agree is the biggest problem. Geren needs to stop making excuses for his team’s lackluster performances.

You are right on. I could live with some mistakes with tactics but his defense of poor play is very concerning

as fans, i think we want to hustle and improvement. i think we see neither.

How to get Geren fired.

ask yourself this – Why was Macha fired?

Well, let’s see. Macha was fired after the A’s won their first playoff series in more than a decade, at the end of four winning seasons with an average of 92 wins a year.

So the way I figure it, Geren just has to finish this season 125-37 and win the ALDS. Then maybe he’ll get fired.

Macha was fired because he didn't get along with Beane

so it’s simple — Geren just has to stop getting along with Beane…

Or with Kotsay and Kendall

Kendall denies that now, and says the problem was Macha-Beane

of course, Macha is his manager once again

I have no issue losing to the Giants

I feel that their ‘rivalry’ is totally manufactured anyway and plus my dad raised me to be a fan of both (though I have gravitated towards the A’s in the last 15 years or so). I don’t even mind the fact that we lost each individual game, because as has been pointed out we lost to a trio of elite pitchers. I feel we got two very good pitching performances, and one poor one, out of three very young starters.

What I mind is having automatic outs in our lineup, a lame manager, and being swept.

Frack.

ORthey - June 14, 2009 reply

Well put

The Giants are now leading the Wild Card – go Bay Area!

When you move out of the Bay Area,

and, to a place, like, say, Bo(bnoxiou)ston, this is definitely the approach to take. I don’t know how it is for the RAFs, but I’m quite fine rooting for the Giants if they’re playing teams not named Oakland, especially teams from that crappy part of the state to the south.

walk off bunt - June 14, 2009 reply

I don't know about the baseball rivalry,

but the rivalry between the cities is certainly not manufactured. It’s for real, and Oakland has been getting creamed for about 60 years now. So yeah, beating them at baseball is some consolation.

I don't dislike the Giants.

I just dislike being teased at work. I usually root for the Giants when they are not playing against us.

I always root against the Giants.

Rated-R Superstar - June 14, 2009 reply

I like seeing a local team do well.

But not against us.

The only team I hate worse than the Giants is the Red Sox

I don’t like it when a team that hasn’t won anything – ever – has fans that think they’re superior to us in every way. But that’s just me.

I take that back

I’d root for the Red Sox if they played the Giants in the W.S. I don’t want the Giants to ever win a championship.

+1

I rooted for the Angels in ’02

Gallagher's Watermelons - June 15, 2009 reply

I actually rooted for the Giants in '02

and they wasted the only goodwill I’ve had for this this century

Fuck the Giants and their fans

oaklandSMASH - June 14, 2009 reply

+2

+3
+4
+5

The only good thing about today's game

was Kennedy and Cust batting 1,2

Old time Caller tells Buan

Most of the players don’t belong on ML squad.

Don’t agree with most of them but there are half a dozen who should not be.

As of June 14th at 7:43PM,

Gaijin_Suketto officially says +1

so the a's activated buck and optioned him to AAA

so we’re keeping denorfia over buck. curious.

Yeah, that’s plain stupid.

Rated-R Superstar - June 14, 2009 reply

at bats is the only reason i can come up with. denorfia will get none and buck needs every single one.

and it's a good reason, too.

per the a's website (mychael urban mailbag), buck pissed off the a's brass too...

Did Travis Buck hack someone off by saying he didn’t need to go on the disabled list?
— Carl H., Monterey, Calif.

That’s not something anyone involved with the current regime would admit to on the record, but I don’t think it’s an unreasonable assumption. I also have a feeling Buck upset some people even before that, by saying he didn’t think it would be wise to play in the second game of that doubleheader in Texas a while back after getting three hits — including a homer — in the first game.

What I do know is that Buck wasn’t allowed to hit for at least a week after he was put on the DL, even though he said he was pain-free. If he’s not activated shortly after he’d eligible, you’ll probably have the answer to your question.

stm72 - June 15, 2009 reply

I'd give them to him in Oakland but that's just me

At this point who cares about defense, just put him in CF and get him some AB’s. He’s got nothing left to prove in the minors.

Bleachers were fun but the game.....

sucked!

BTW, I have ‘stadium envy’ not to be confused with ‘penis envy’ but thought of in the same light! LOL I went with a friend today and whose never seen AT&T…man it is so much BETTER than the coliseum. Even though I go there at least twice a year, it is fucking so much better! We should share the stadium with the Giants. Like the NFL Giants do with the Jets! LOL
I really hate how bad we are at the plate! I was so excited after Cust’s HR! But I had to remember who was pitching for us…

DoomandGloom - June 14, 2009 reply

Also in the bleachers

Man that 1st half of the 1st inning was great. Really the only chance the whole game for the green and gold to stand proud. Especially painful was watching Jack Cust in that spacious RF of AT&T park. Can’t wait ‘till he’s back at DH.

Had a chance to shake hands with the guy in the bright yellow jersey trying to start the wave. Sure had the Giants fans in a tizzy, lots of thumbs down and booing. He was escorted away by security. Not sure what became of him.

GoA's - June 14, 2009 reply

Good. If an A's fan tries to start the Wave, he should get booed.

And arrested, and asked never to attend a baseball game again. Good for the Giants fans that booed him. That may be the only thing more embarassing than getting swept. Some punk-ass A’s fan starting the wave.

+1

F the wave

I hate that both my teams take credit for creating it

throwmonkey - June 14, 2009 reply

Fire the Manager

Ah ……………. the reasoned voice of the common baseball fan (atic) – "fire the Manager ! we’re not winning, it has to be the Manager’s fault. Fire the S.O.B. Only then will we start to win. When the A’s fired Art Howe, and then Ken Macha that’s when they started to win. Bigtime. Fire Geren ! We’ll be winners.

Cretins. Geren was given a team with no third baseman, (and until recently) no one at second, an arthritic overthehiller at first, plus for the last two weeks two thirds of his starting outfield were in intensive care. He’s got a starting five made up of three 21 year old rooks and a pair of sophomores, his main closer never showed up, the back-up came down with swine fever or malaria or something, the veteran set-up guy has the same affiction as the veteran first-base, and the veteran jack of all trades bench player has only one leg.

Your 2009 Oakland Orthopaedics. And its the Manager’s fault? Oh.

I knew the education (choke) system was bad, but this bad?

Smoky - June 14, 2009 reply

It is possible for a team to lack talent

AND for a manager to be doing a poor job, both at the same time. In fact you’re seeing it with the 2009 A’s.

Good point. However, I think there is enough talent to win this division.

:O

OptimistPrime - June 14, 2009 reply

not sure i agree, but i do think we should win about 81 games this year. our starting pitching is putting up too many quality starts that go unrewarded by the offense

No

More than half our offense is terrible. That does not equal a competitive team unless the winner of this division wins it with 70 wins.

the perfect storm

I agree that this team would suck

no matter who the manager was. But that doesn’t change the fact that Geren is constantly making boneheaded decisions and putting players in position to fail (even more than they would otherwise).

day-to-day - June 14, 2009 reply

What's his excuse for 2007- the team that was defending division champs.

There were some injuries in 2007 but he still had enough solid players to get the job done and didn’t.

Ask yourself this question- What has he done to deserve to keep his job?

The job of a MLB Manager is not a right. It has to be earned and re-earned every season.

The 2009 team has several good players and several that were good until they joined his team.

By the way, not everyone who criticizes the manager is an idiot nor do they always support the dismissal of all managers. I did not think Macha deserved to be fired HE WON- same with Howe.

I am not in the clubhouse but I would be very surprised if the players felt like he was the man to lead them to victories. At a certain point a change is needed.

I'm reminded of louismg's work

Antics episode 3.19 – I love the Blanton frame
and the original topic: Reality Bites

SwisherThresher - June 14, 2009 reply

The manager is a problem...

but the roster is the real problem. I agree with that.

And yet, Geren has shown himself to be a very questionable manager when it comes to in-game decisions...

…and ridiculous rah-rah postgame comments that make it seem like nothing’s wrong and everyone’s doing great.

Though I'm glad you think people who have a problem with Geren are uneducated cretins.

Good call. Or something.

Oh! I thought he was calling us

diseducated Coatians!!! I don’t get it. Words are harrrrrd.

All cretins are liars.

Including me.

So you went to school with Hannahan and Mauer?

Cretin-Derham Hall

Englishmajor - June 14, 2009 reply

So what about

2007 and 2008 when Bobo led the the A’s to losing seasons? When is it his fault? I mean I don’t know because I went to public school in Sacramento so maybe someone as intellegent as yourself can enlighten us morons.

sirbed - June 14, 2009 reply

The logic, I believe, goes as follows:

Until you give Geren a talented team, you can’t gauge his abilities as a manager.

If you give him a .450 team and he manages it to a .400 record, you can’t use that against him.

The things you see him doing badly are irrelevant because with a good manager the team still wouldn’t win 90 games.

I think you nailed it, Nico...

and I think Mr. Beane’s logic is wrong in regard to managers.

You can gauge a manager’s ability to motivate, manage, and make decisions with any team, and if any parts of his game are sub-optimal, he should be held accountable, whether he’s managing the Red Sox or the Bad News Bears…

This year's team isn't a good advertisement for ...

the Moneyball movie is it?

I dunno, people seem to like disaster movies...

Nick - June 14, 2009 reply

Look at Colorado. Manager change and then they roll.

There are times when a teams need to be shaken up and a change at the top sends a message that losing is not tolerated.

Firing Howe and Macha who won and keeping Geren who is a losing manager sends a horrendous message to the players and fans.

I think a fair question, for smoky and others, would be

for them to articulate what they have observed Bob Geren to do well. Among the manager’s primary jobs, probably in decreasing order of importance to wins/losses are:

1. Keep the team playing as hard, and with as much focus and intensity, as it can play.

2. Lead by example, setting the culture of expectations and leadership you want to see in your players.

3. Make in-game strategy decisions that give the team the best chance to win.

Yes?

I'm with you

Let's look at the rookie starters

Maybe A’s manager Ozzie Guillen gets quoted in the paper after Cahill’s start in Detroit saying, “I have no idea what his mechanics are out there. Neither does Trevor. Frankly, if he doesn’t shape up, I’d rather see him in a Rivercats’ uniform.”

Outman was pissed off about being pulled the other night. But should we just take the performances of Outman, Cahill, Mazzaro, and Braden as givens, and think that Geren is only responsible for the stuff that hasn’t gone well?

Nick - June 14, 2009 reply

scioscia whoops on the angels and they score like crazy

Did anyone feel like Cabrera, Holliday, and even Giambi just kind of gave up towards the end of the game today?

By doing what? Getting out? They've been doing a lot of that all year.

So much for that winning streak

We’re eight under .500 again.

Derosa hits another home run

We could use someone like this on the team. He plays 3rd and many other positions and knows how to hit, especially in the clutch.

But lets just keep Hannahan at 3rd until Chavez comes back…. Oh wait

With the surgery news, now Beane has the chance to show everyone he's ready to move past Chavez and do something...

…with the 3B spot. Let’s see if he actually does.

I doubt it

Beane love Crosby and Hannahan long time.

I think DeRosa would have been a terrific pickup

However, I also heard rumblings that the A’s were interested in him, so I don’t think it’s that Beane didn’t want to acquire him but more that he felt the asking price was too high. There I trust Beane a lot. Remember a couple years ago when we (myself included) would all have been all too happy to trade Mazzaro for Brignac? Maybe what Cleveland wanted was just too much for a good “jack-of-all-trades, master of none” veteran who won’t be around in two years.

Probably something to that

If he trades Holliday and doesn’t get a MLB-ready 3B or someone very close to that in the deal, I’ll be disappointed. If he keeps Holliday for the season and they don’t draft a 3B, I’ll also be disappointed.

Any chance they move someone like Cardenas to third?

Instead of drafting for one?

asfaninpismobeach - June 14, 2009 reply

They already did in AA.

Im just ready for a shake up

I think Barton, Buck and the other young guys should get most of the playing time. Not only do Giambi, Davis, Crosby and others suck at baseball they also have no future with this team.

At this point its almost just wasted playing time. If your going to lose, at least get some young guys some playing time and build for the future. The 2010 A’s with Giambi and Crosby playing might push me to the point of not watching at all.

asfaninpismobeach - June 14, 2009 reply

+1

I don’t understand why Giambi is still starting while Barton rots on the bench.

I’m not against Barton going to Triple-A Sacramento at this point and then coming back at a later date if he continues to hit down there.

Rated-R Superstar - June 14, 2009 reply

let him play every day somewhere...

i don’t even care where at this point…

and kudos to the team for sending Buck to AAA to hit rather than up to the bigs to sit...

i would like that too...

especially in a whim beyond belief, i forked over the bucks for Extra Innings for my real tv last night. Having the young guys day in day out is far better than seeing the past-their-prime crowd have a good game once a week.

Fair question - maybe ..............

1. playing hard and 2, lead by example and 3. in-game strategy are all subjective. Were the A’s playing hard when they won seven in a row.? Do they only play hard when they win and not when they lose?
How do you define a culture of expectations and leadership? I have my opinion, you have yours, they are probably vastly different. How do you measure a culture? Is Beethoven culture? Is the Grateful Dead culture? Is Nine Inch Nails culture? The answer is yes to all three. To someone, but not the same someone for all three. Different strokes for different folks. And who’s in charge of culture installation? Ownership? Front Office management? Field management? Who? (I could tell you, but I ain’t gonna).
The much maligned Charley Finlay installed a great winning culture, except of course that it wasn’t Charley’s doing he just had great players and great managers too, I suppose. Still it was Charley who led the charge. However, few remember that essentially the same group of players lost over a hundred games two years in a row before they started on the greatest run in A’s history.
Culture is a slippery slope. Beware.
And strategy. Everyone who knows nothing about baseball is an expert on strategy. Strategy is easy, particularly when you have maybe ten percent of the information needed to make in-game decisions. Wives are terrific stratists – ask any husband.

Does Geren make mistakes? Of course. So does every manager in the game, from Little League to the majors. Always have. Always will. But hindsight criticising is the cheapshot way of saying you don’t like the manager but you don’t know why except the team’s losing.
Losing manager’s are never very popular, no matter what the sport or where its played. Winning teams always seem to have excellent managers. Strange how that works. Fans are the same the world over. Dim bulbs full of emotion. That’s OK but you should realise it.
Is Geren any good? I don’t know, but neither do you, or anyone who frequents places like these. What I do know is he’s forced to play the game with a very weak hand, and unlike poker you can’t bluff in baseball. As presently constituted this is a poor, poor team. Among the worst in the majors. You can change managers twice a week, every week, and nothing but nothing is going to change that essential fact.
Wait until Geren has a competetive group on the field, and not in intensive care, before you start passing judgement.

Smoky - June 14, 2009 reply

What do you think he does well?

Does his team routinely run out pop-ups? Do they look prepared in the fundamentals? Do you see a lot of competitive fire? Do you observe a lot of spirit or intensity? Would his comments to the press make you want to play harder? Do you more often see him schooling opposing managers or being schooled by opposing managers?

What do you think he does well?

i think we can all agree on this...

batting o-cab lead-off this year was as dumb as batting hannahan lead-off last year (ok, maybe marginally less dumb). why did geren do it? i have no idea. forget warp3 or vorp or win shares. use your eyes and understand how baseball works.

why? maybe because he's batted first or second quite a bit

in his career, and looked to be at least as good an option there as anyone else on the roster, if not better.

OaklandSi - June 15, 2009 reply

.280 OBP

mikev - June 15, 2009 reply

and despite that, managers such as Scoscia and Guillen

(neither of whom are considered to be stupid men or lousy managers) seemed to find him to be useful there.

So, given the other options it’s not surprising that the A’s would have batted him first or second.

OaklandSi - June 15, 2009 reply

they're both stupid and lousy (the a's fan in me said that)

stm72 - June 15, 2009 reply

the .280 OBP is from 2009

I’m referring to his stats over several years, which the A’s probably used as part of their decision to use him at the customary 1 or 2 spot. For example, in 2007 his OBP was .345 and in 2008 it was .334. Particularly in 2007 with the Angels he was expected to move along the #1 batter, which wouldn’t show up in the OBP. Then in 2008 he was used alot in the #1 spot (in part because the White Sox didn’t really have an ideal #1 hitter).

I imagine the A’s put him in the 1 and 2 spots both because of his experience and because (especially for the #1 spot) they don’t really have a better alternative. Both Sweeney and Suzuki have expressed the desire not to be in the #2 spot. Now, with two months passing and a still-low OBP, they’ve moved Cabrera down.

OaklandSi - June 15, 2009 reply

Kennedy leadoff, Cust #2 is probably the best option for the team right now.

Unless Buck is brought back up and reverts to his rookie season form, then he should leadoff.

mikev - June 15, 2009 reply

There's decent evidence that he creates a good environment for talented, young starters and relievers to develop

And that frankly might be the most important aspect of the manager’s job this year.

Nick - June 14, 2009 reply

Lots of other young players in his tenure that failed

Gallagher, Gio Gonzalez, Blevins, D. Johnson, Buck and Barton getting worse.

Yes, I do know

Geren isn’t very good. That’s a fact.

What does that mean, anyway? “Passing judgment”? When your kid plays in traffic, and you tell him it isn’t a good idea, can he then say, “Don’t judge me!”? Bob Geren is doing a bad job. That isn’t “passing judgment”. That’s telling the truth.

One of the most ridiculously over-used and misunderstood phrases in our country today. Criticizing something is not the same as passing judgment. They’re not even close. I appreciate your sermon, though.

Smoky = Billy Beane or one of his operatives (ala "flunksterdude" of GSW hoops fame)?

Clearly, because we post on AN, and have been for years, we are not qualified to evaluate the talent/lack thereof of the manager.

Billy, stop posing as Smoky and can Geren’s ass already. The chorus of discontent within the fan base is growing. But then again, maybe you are trying to pull a “Major League,” and drive attendance into the 100’s so you can move the team?

When does Cal football season start?

33SwisherSweet - June 14, 2009 reply

He has had 3 years. Lots of different players, not all of them bad- Lots of losses.

He is judged on wins period. The previous managers had 8 straight winning seasons. The team has declined in win totals.

He cannot point to other successful managerial stints to make one believe that he has the skills to turn a team around.

Lots of other guys out there who deserve a shot to manage a team.

I don't claim to have all of the info to be a good manager....

I’m just tired of looking at Geren’s face. :(

mrod - June 14, 2009 reply

he's got the bad face

What's wrong with Bob's face? <sniffs fingers>