As JJ points out in the initial game thread, a long time ago; the first inning, which was Anderson’s early undoing in tonight’s game, should have been a 7 pitch, 0 run inning. Instead, it turned into a 32 pitch, 5 run inning, thanks to not one, but two two-out errors courtesy of Giambi and Crosby. In other words, Anderson got out of the inning TWICE, and still couldn’t stop pitching.
It’s one thing to have trouble scoring runs. The A’s are fielding a team of below-average hitters. But it’s entirely another to botch routine plays on defense, especially behind a rookie pitcher, who has consistently had trouble settling down and avoiding the big inning. Giambi missed catching a routine throw at first and Crosby missed a routine ground ball--either play would have ended the first inning--and Anderson was unable to get the fifth “out” of the inning. He gave up an infield single for the Tigers’ first run, and then things got really ugly. Anderson hit the next batter to load the bases, and then grooved a pitch that was hit out for a grand slam. The Tigers were up by 5 before most people realized the game was out of the rain delay.
The errors just kept on coming. Kennedy added an E4 in the second inning (Anderson got of the inning), but the third looked a lot like the first. Cabrera botched a double play ball--to complete the infield error hat trick--that would have ended the inning, but he didn’t even get an out; and because of the “not assuming a double play” rule, Anderson was charged with his first earned run on the play. A second mishandled double play attempt scored the Tigers 7th run.
This does bring up an issue with the whole ‘earned run’ statistic. Yes, I lay the blame on Giambi for the error at first (Crosby is playing out of position, waiting for the return of basically an invisible player; more on that later), but as a pitcher, you will have nights like that. The field is wet; your team isn’t very good, but you won’t be long for the league if you give up that number of additional runs. I have never understood the logic of a homerun not counting as an earned run, but on the flip side, everyone in the ballpark knew the third inning was over with the sure-DP ball handed to Cabrera; yet he botched that, and the run that scored on the play was earned. Tonight’s game was a perfect example of why ERA is a pretty lousy measurement of a pitcher; Anderson grooved a grand-slam ball for unearned runs; yet was charged with a run on a perfect-pitch ground ball double play.
On the other side of the game; it was a tight race between hits and errors for the A’s offense through the first four innings, but the offense finally prevailed; chalking up five hits to best their error total of four.
They got two hits in the first inning by Suzuki and Holliday--who both had multiple hit games, but didn’t score. They would put a token run on the board in the fourth on a leadoff double by Holliday and a two-out single by Kennedy to cut the score to 9-1. Crosby left the game in the top of the fourth with an upset stomach, and was replaced by Hannahan. I know just how he feels. This game was brutal.
It’s hard to sort out where the defense ended and Anderson started, but both were awful tonight. After the initial hour delay-of-game, Anderson was hit hard, and often, but could the outcome have been different if he had either some offensive or defensive support? And not to excuse anyone, but it was a wet and messy night; I’m not sure Anderson ever really felt comfortable on the mound, and certainly not with the team behind him. He lasted until the fourth inning, where the rain started pouring down as his pitchers were hit all over the ballpark. He was replaced by Dan Giese, who tried his best to prolong the game, and induce the rain delay, but the Tigers were probably (smartly) instructed to swing at anything. The game went into rain delay only three outs shy of an “official” game, but to the dismay of everyone who is either on, or roots for, the green and gold, it restarted about an hour later. I’m sure the Tigers had no intention of leaving the ballpark until the game was official. I wouldn’t have.
Giese and Edwin Jackson both stayed in the ballgame after the rain delay. Giese pretend to pitch for an inning, and then gave up a grand slam; the second one of the night. Yes, really.
The A’s managed to get all of two hits the rest of the way. We had a Ziggy sighting in the eighth; leadoff hit, and a two-out RBI single.
I don’t have anything else to say about the game, but I do want to point out today’s piece from the Mercury News, entitled, A’s Must Move On From Chavez.
The money quote from Billy Beane says:
"I think at some point you have to be realistic," Beane, the A's general manager, said over the phone Thursday afternoon. "We love Eric. We invested quite a bit of money in him. Not only that, we've invested opportunity cost, since we certainly planned that he was going to be our third baseman for six years.
"But Eric's not out there."... What we've had the last couple years is a big hole over there."
And you still have a big hole over there. No offense to Bobby Crosby, but when it is mid-May and you have to resort to playing a below average player at a position where he has never played, you have serious problems with your team depth, and it is borderline criminal that the A’s have made no plans--and have no major league options available--to replace Chavez, despite his complete and total inability to stay on the field. There. I said it. Crosby should be playing third only when your number one and two choices both have gone down in a game, and you need a spot infielder. I was planning to turn this into a coherent post next week, but it’s just unbelievable enough for me to say something.
So, to sum up, it was ugly as a game gets; it was all but over in the first, but the game threads were fun. Kudos to those who stuck it out. My streak is over in grand style.
The A’s play tomorrow at 4:05 PST. Hopefully Braden has better luck.
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game over thank goodness
OaklandSi - May 15, 2009
Did we win?
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
I ask because I like winning.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
You know like it's better than losin'!
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
Awesome.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
Candlesticks make a great gift
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
He teed off like he knew what was coming
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
the rose goes toward the front.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
...big guy
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
Oh Crash you do make speeches.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
He hit the bull!
I think he get a free steak!
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
William Blake!
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
(did you see below, where we both simultaneously quoted The Natural?)
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
I did! Liked.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
This team is complete dog shit
Thanks
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
That's not fair.
We scored a run, no?
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
this team is trying my patience
and making me question how difficult the next 4 months might be. Ugghhh.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
way out west.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Don't fucking start.
mikev - May 15, 2009
I thought you were leaving...
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
That other thread
mikev - May 15, 2009
He just doesn't know how to quit you.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
Easy there, stalker.
Don’t make me go digging up links
mikev - May 15, 2009
LOL.
I can’t help the amazing-ness that is the AN search function.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
It really is awesome.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
It's almost as amazing as posting from the mobile version
mikev - May 15, 2009
well, maybe he should just put me down for a while.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Well
So much for my October plans.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
You're free to travel the world.
OldhamA - May 16, 2009
I blame Giambi
wearing the puka shells. WTF was up with that???
Shippee33 - May 15, 2009
4-7 PM pacific tomorrow.
We turn it all around.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
I'll be drunk.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Aren't you always?
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
I try.
mikev - May 15, 2009
That sounds fun.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
Duh
mikev - May 15, 2009
Lets all be drunk!
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
I can't be.
Sadness.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
YES
mikev - May 15, 2009
I'm seeing double.
Hi Pams!
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
It's a stack of pamcakes!
mikev - May 15, 2009
nothing better
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
OK. That was funny.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
See, that's how I roll.
mikev - May 15, 2009
In flour?
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
Did you just call me fat?
mikev - May 15, 2009
Only if you want me to.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
is this some kind of foreplay?
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
PLEASE STOP.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
No one has ever said that to me before.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
She used all caps.
I gotta listen to her.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Too late, btw.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
that was quick
mikev - May 15, 2009
let's not go there.
I’m self conscious already.
mikev - May 15, 2009
I laughed.
baseballgirl - May 15, 2009
I'll be hhungover
I say that now,because, yknow. lots of free liquor
alea iacta est - May 16, 2009
That is a likely outcome.
Leopold Bloom - May 16, 2009
That sounds fun.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
That sounds fun.
(I didn’t wanna be left out)
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Unpossible.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
Totally!
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
Anderson is not ready for the big leagues.
Neither is Cahill.
They’re both being wasted when they should be in AAA continuing their development.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Were you listening to Fosse say otherwise?
The guy is a complete homer.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
No, I'm forced to sit through FP Santangelo saying errors are contagious.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Losing is a disease.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
lol!
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Only if herpes is acquired by booting ground balls.
Nico - May 15, 2009
herpes is acquired by grinding booty calls
alea iacta est - May 16, 2009
Losing is a sickness.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
He's quite a baseball mind
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
I respectfully disagree
I think Anderson’s ready right now. When you force someone to throw 30 pitches and get 5 outs, bad things eventually happen in an inning. He looked damn good to me tonight. He has nothing left to learn at AAA – he just needs major league experience, which will include some bumps in the road. Remember Danny Haren in 2005.
Nico - May 15, 2009
Danny Haren was 24 years old in 2005, and had pitched 130 innings in AAA in 2004 before his callup.
He also had a 1.22 WHIP and a 117 ERA+
There’s no way in hell Anderson approaches either of those numbers this year.
mikev - May 15, 2009
No, I'm just saying sometimes a pitcher has to go through some struggles
whenever he comes up. I don’t see a flaw in Anderson’s game other than just needing major league experience. Tonight, he wowed me with most of his pitches. Sure he made one big mistake, but he had thrown 30 pitches already that inning and had “gotten out of the inning” twice. I’ll forgive him for that.
Nico - May 15, 2009
I agree.
He pitched well enough. The infield royally screwed him over.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
At some point he's gotta work through that.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Sure he does.
But tonight’s blame doesn’t rest on him.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
I never said it did.
mikev - May 15, 2009
I did!
No, I didn’t.
I blamed the rain. And the infield.
baseballgirl - May 15, 2009
Sure.
But that’s sorta happened every game, hence the ERA nearing 6.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Not really - the Seattle game was just absurd nickel and diming
Nico - May 15, 2009
I think if you took out about 4 innings, his ERA is around 2
He just has that big inning problem, where he cannot settle down once rattled.
baseballgirl - May 15, 2009
That's the problem -- you can't take those innings out.
He needs to learn how to avoid the big innings.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Oh I know
and I still think despite the errors, he would have been hit hard tonight. He was in the fourth. (Yes, I really can’t judge tonight.)
baseballgirl - May 15, 2009
See I saw it different - I thought he was dealing
Nico - May 15, 2009
I'm going to agree with you
And really, when people say ’he’s got to learn those things sometime’ – well, yeah – you learn when it happens, no? Which is sometimes ugly.
Seriously, how can this not be expected – the point this season was to support the young pitchers as they went through some teething problems. It’s the support system that’s failed, not the pitchers
alea iacta est - May 16, 2009
Also, remember it wasn't just the 1st inning
In the 3rd, Sweeney misplayed a pretty routine fly ball, then later Anderson got what should have been an inning-ending 6-4-3 DP (E-6), then got another “what should have been an inning-ending 6-4-3 DP” (FC, E-4). It took all three defensive failures for Anderson not to get out of that inning scoreless.
Look at how many extra pitches he was forced to throw, under high stress, in those two innings and it’s no wonder that by the 4th he was out of gas. The only positive I saw in yesterday’s utter debacle was that I thought Anderson threw the ball GREAT, not just well.
Nico - May 16, 2009
But impossible to judge from tonight.
baseballgirl - May 15, 2009
I guess my point is that this is "par for the course"
I’m not arguing that he’s ready to post a 3.20 ERA, just that he’s ready to be treated like a guy who is ready for the big leagues. Whether a rookie is 21, 23, or 26, he’s probably going to have struggles his rookie season and those struggles will often take the form of “big innings” or whatever. I’m not suggesting he’s ready to be a #1 starter, just that he’s ready to start the process of learning at the big league level.
Nico - May 15, 2009
I'd be fine with starting the process.
Hell, since you used Haren as an example, let him (Anderson) throw 125 innings in Sacramento this year, then call him up for half a season and see how he does.
There’s just no sense in throwing him to the wolves like they’ve done. Same with Cahill.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Well, if you believe the A's will be contenders in 2010
(anybody’s guess now), it will pay dividends to have “Second year major leaguer Brett Anderson” instead of “rookie Brett Anderson” in the rotation.
I totally agree with Cahill. He’s not ready and could really have used at least 1/2 a season at AAA.
Nico - May 15, 2009
They should both be treated the same way.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Why? Anderson is WAY more polished/ready than Cahill
Night and day, IMO.
Nico - May 15, 2009
Because at some point
Giving up a hit per inning is going to catch up to Anderson — not that it hasn’t already, because his numbers kinda suck, but he’s a 21 year old kid who’s getting knocked around in the big leagues and he’s NEVER pitched higher than Double A before.
mikev - May 15, 2009
I guess I just don't see that he's getting knocked around
It looks to me as if he’s on the verge of getting over the hump and being the A’s second best starter. Tonight, as an example, he looked terrific (to me) and had the A’s played any kind of defense behind him he may well have gone 7 IP and allowed 2 ER. His command of both sides of the plate is impressive, and he was hitting 93MPH with his fastball.
Nico - May 15, 2009
I hope you're right.
Because the results are screaming the opposite.
LOTS of guys hit 93 with their fastball. LOTS of guys command both sides of the plate. LOTS of guys could go 7IP 2ER if they had a couple breaks go their way.
mikev - May 15, 2009
I do think Anderson has had an unusual
amount of “bizarre circumstance” surrounding his starts. The 2nd inning against Seattle was freakishly unlucky. He was absolutely dominating a great offense, in a hitter’s park, when he left with a blister. He started a game where the A’s played the worst defense in the history of baseball. It has been a bit odd. But everything I see from Anderson looks to me like he’s ready to pitch in the big leagues. If he stays healthy, I expect him to pitch very well over his next 100 innings.
Nico - May 15, 2009
Are you drunk too? :-)
Just kidding.
baseballgirl - May 15, 2009
Anything is possible. See: Braden, Dallas
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
Sounds like Beane may have come to where I've been this week
No matter how “close” he may have thought the team was in its rebuilding, the A’s need to acquire a 3Bman and that means they may need to part with some talent. (Hey – how about Street, Smith, and C. Gonzalez for Ian Stewart? Damn.)
Nico - May 15, 2009
I'm starting to wonder what the hell the trade was about
Not that Holliday shouldn’t have been better but how long would a draft pick take to develop? Will the trade bait exceed what we already had? I’m confused.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
now that would have been a F'ing A trade
OaklandSi - May 15, 2009
He's only 3 years too late
Trainman - May 15, 2009
I'm wondering how much Glaus and Beltre will fetch this offseason.
They’re both getting old, Glaus especially, but if either can be had on a three year deal for under $50 million I think its worth looking into given that there’s nothing in the minors and the A’s are going to have some money to spend.
I thought Chavez’ idea of moving to 1B was very reasonable. This is someone who has referred to his shoulder muscles as “shredded” and continues to be sidelined by his throwing arm. The same rationale that has been used against moving Ellis to short – that his shoulder injury prevents him from being able to make long throws – apparently does not apply to Chavez. At 1B Chavez could conceivably provide the same Gold Glove defense he’s provided at 3rd and never have to throw the ball. If Doolittle is ready next year he could be platooned with Chavez at 1st and spend the rest of the time in the OF. Just a thought.
scromulus - May 16, 2009
I don't think you want to offer Glaus something like 3/45
when he is likely to be the next Chavez/Nomar at 3B. I’d love to have him as a DH and backup 3Bman, but I wouldn’t say that signing him to that kind of money to play 3B every day is solving “the Chavez problem.” It IS the Chavez problem.
Nico - May 16, 2009
Beltre
For those who weren’t aware, Beltre’s hitting has been awful so far this year. He’s in a deep slump of O-Cab proportions. True, he’s not hitting as bad as Eric Chavez this year, but Beltre’s 09 so far is worse than Chavvy’s 08, and that’s pretty bad.
Defense still looks good, though.
iglew - May 16, 2009
I wonder how this game would have turned out sans all the errors.
ElQuesoCapitan - May 15, 2009
Holy Shit Balls!
That was painful!
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
The game thread was a lot of fun, though.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
SOMETHING has to be.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
Or someone.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
Yep!
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
why not both
mikev - May 15, 2009
Ooh. Naughty.
I like.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
Naughty and nice,
Yes!
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
with an emphasis on naughty, of course
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
It's all in the choosing.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
I choose...
you
mikev - May 15, 2009
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
There it is.
One of the best Simpsons of all time.
baseballgirl - May 15, 2009
yup.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Oh man...I want to watch that now.
Look Lisa, you can actually see the moment his heart breaks!
baseballgirl - May 15, 2009
do you like.... stuff?
alea iacta est - May 16, 2009
Did that just happen?
I laughed.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
Me too!
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
In a perfect world, Chavez retires this year, saving the team $11-12M next year
But that won’t happen, so we are stuck with the perpetual sunken cost. Just release him to rid us of the hinderance he provides when we hear reports about him being on the mend or taking grounders for the first time since he went down with his nth injury.
franks a lot - May 15, 2009
Has this post been made before?
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
Probably has, seems to be a common sentiment around this parts as of late
franks a lot - May 15, 2009
Yep. Still true as ever.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
Chavez is never leaving that money on the table.
OldhamA - May 16, 2009
Ought oh. A Scanner Darkly is on and I'm not sure
I can make it through it without developing a headache.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
Philip K. Dick!
franks a lot - May 15, 2009
A Scanner Darkly is an awesome movie
I thought the rotoscoping was well done. And I was surprised by how funny it was. Another great performance by Robert Downey Jr. – right down his alley.
SwisherThresher - May 15, 2009
I'm still laughing at "Pamcakes"
baseballgirl - May 15, 2009
it's good to be appreciated.
mikev - May 15, 2009
I think I predicted that you would be calling her that...
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
I can't believe you took that onto FB.
Gah.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
OOH.
{turns on stalker mode}
mikev - May 15, 2009
Pot, kettle.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
I was being ironical.
mikev - May 15, 2009
REALLY?!?!?
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
I'm hungy.
We need an In and Out burger run.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
I love you.
So much better than those stupid ass OTHER ones.
mikev - May 15, 2009
you just like to feed the fire.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
This fire is hawt!
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
Love In and Out
And hamburgers are good too.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
sigh
reason# 3,456……
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
That's way too many reasons.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
there's a lot of reasons.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Yep!
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
It was too good not to share with everyone who missed the game thread.
baseballgirl - May 15, 2009
pamcakes?
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
OHMYGODSTOP
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
Sorry.
But Pamcakes must be awesome!
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
ahem.
I’ll refrain from the “smothered with syrup” comment that’s fucking begging to be made.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Strawberies and whipped cream.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
holy crap
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
I know, right?
mikev - May 15, 2009
Right?
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
Right.
To both of you.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
Sorry.
But strawberries and whipped cream wins. On Pam? Shut UP!
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
I'd like it to be noted that I had no part in the dirtying up of this thread.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
Not directly.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
I must refrain.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
The best part?
Pam doesn’t get sticky!!!!
mikev - May 15, 2009
(ahem)
mikev - May 15, 2009
She just might kill you.
Or sleep with you.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
or both.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Preferably the
second one before the first one.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
There could be worse ways to go.
mikev - May 15, 2009
this is starting to sound
like Basic Instinct
OaklandSi - May 15, 2009
I'm OK with that
mikev - May 15, 2009
I'm going with Forgetting Sarah Marshall
Somebody here hates that movie and I don’t understand why.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
I liked it.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
"Sodomize Intolerance"
Remember that part where the video of “We gotta do something” is playing and he’s kissing nuns, cops, hot women, men, etc.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
or as I like to call it, Tuesday.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Oh yeah. Classic.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
I almost cried in about six parts
baseballgirl - May 15, 2009
The most hilarious, disturbing, nude scene right off the bat.
I was uncomfortable.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
Huh- I missed that part of the A's game
Nico - May 15, 2009
Good thing it wasn't Sweeney...
…half of AN would have died.
baseballgirl - May 15, 2009
Just a tad.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
The dorky newlyweds are priceless too.
The guy is basically trying to get out of getting laid the entire movie.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
I actually forgot how much I enjoyed that movie.
My niece and I could not stop laughing.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
two words - russel brand. utter tosser.
alea iacta est - May 16, 2009
Russel Brand.
OldhamA - May 16, 2009
What's the likelihood that Beane will now become averse to 6 year contracts?
franks a lot - May 15, 2009
And then a great player will come along that we can't keep.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
nothing wrong with a long contract
if you choose the right player to give it to
OaklandSi - May 15, 2009
He chose...poorly.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
What's weird
Is that he seemed to admit to that finally. Kinda.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
It's pretty self-evident, no?
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Si.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
Not sure there was a choice
Had Tejada and Chavez’ contracts been up the same year, yes. It was a little more complicated, as I understand it – basically Beane being told by Schott/Hofmann “You can’t afford Tejada” given that year’s payroll situation.
Nico - May 15, 2009
Oh I agree Nico
And it’s not like Billy planned to not have Eric’s services for the better part of the contract.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
Well, I'm less sympathetic there
The A’s knew a long time ago that Chavez had some back/shoulder “concerns.” But given that Tejada was not actually an option, I’m glad they at least stepped up and committed to one instead of neither.
Nico - May 15, 2009
Too bad they didn't lock up Giambi instead
There was some serious lost mojo when he left the building. Can you imagine he and Swisher on the same team?
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
Truer.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
Or, stay true to their model
and not locked up ANY of them.
That was the choice to make. And that was the philosophy. And why he signed him to that deal is beyond me. It very well could have worked well for us, but it was contrary to everything we’d done to that point.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Truest.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
I think everything points to the fact that he was/is emotionally attached to Chavvy, as OaklandSi says below.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
and Bob Geren
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
obv
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
Because then he would have had to
draft a 3Bman, and that’s, like, harrrrrd.
Nico - May 15, 2009
I'm just saying that Giambi was a leader
Chavez has always been the same, quiet guy who demonstrates leadership on the field… or he did at one point.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
And Miggy was awesome too.
That’s the point. You let both of them go. You let all the pitching go. Let Chavez go too.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
And take your chances.
Its what we’re doing now.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
and everybody LOVED it at the time
Because the A’s were finally locking up one of their own.
mikev - May 15, 2009
that's the point.
It was counterintuitive to EVERYTHING we’d done up until then. We don’t get emotionally invested in them.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Actually, I do. I just get depressed a lot
Nico - May 15, 2009
Well, WE do.
BB don’t.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
We Are Billy Beane!
no? ;-)
GreenNGoldSooner - May 16, 2009
i didn't love it at the time
connie mack - May 16, 2009
True.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
Their inactivity on the 3B front since then is pretty inexcusable,
as you have noted one billion times before.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
+ 1 billion and one
worldblee - May 15, 2009
In the future, the A's will only field 8 players
franks a lot - May 15, 2009
By my count...
…that’s a few more than we’re fielding now.
GreenNGoldSooner - May 16, 2009
Also
Chavez was younger, better, and hadn’t started showing any of that injury crap yet.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Younger, yes ... better? Um, no.
Vacafan - May 16, 2009
Sigh.
OPS+ from 99 (the first year they both played significant time) to 03 (when Tejada left)
95, 111, 109, 128, 111
98, 117, 128, 127, 126
Guess which is which.
mikev - May 16, 2009
but Tejada's came at shortstop
and he hadn’t missed a single game
connie mack - May 16, 2009
That was before Chavez started getting hurt
and he was banging out gold gloves every season
mikev - May 16, 2009
but it took him a long time to admit it
he once said he was too emotional about the Big Three and Chavez
OaklandSi - May 15, 2009
Beane said "I'm kind of an ostrich when it comes to Chavez"
To which I thought, “You squawk and eat fish?”
Nico - May 15, 2009
I think he meant he was an
overly aggressive big-ass bird.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
I never saw Billy
as an ostrich type.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
Well, he *is* tall
mikev - May 15, 2009
and apparently looks like Brad Pitt.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
No shit? Me too!!
I mean, Brad Pitt is a short, fat, unattractive dark haired guy, isn’t he?
mikev - May 15, 2009
yup.
sure is. and he’s married to the most beautiful woman in the world.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
with fake lips that are fine with me
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
Those aren't fake,
so no doubt, they will be fine too.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
I'm not sure I believe they are real
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
if you can touch them...
mikev - May 15, 2009
Hey. My gf has a fake rack
and I have no problem with it.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
You're my new favorite.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Pics of her when she was a kid show
that she had those lips even then.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
I'd hack her Gibson.
mikev - May 15, 2009
He's married to Michael Jackson?
Nico - May 15, 2009
yup.
and they’re child is a monkey. A monkey that used to sign for me.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
You're deaf?
OldhamA - May 16, 2009
What? Could you please type louder?
Nico - May 16, 2009
and apparently hid his head in the sand
OaklandSi - May 15, 2009
do you think that's what he meant?
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
It is - but ostriches don't actually do that
FIRE THAT EXPRESSION NOW!!!
Nico - May 16, 2009
Can we do that?
Can we fire the expressions? There’s several emoticons that I’d like to get rid of.
Leopold Bloom - May 16, 2009
Ostriches eat fish?!?
The things you learn on AN!
GreenNGoldSooner - May 16, 2009
It was a guess. Wrong?
Nico - May 16, 2009
Perhaps you're getting confused with osPREY
Ostriches run around in grassy plains and semi-desert. Not a lot of fish there.
In terms of diet, ostriches are a lot like chickens, which is to say they’ll eat almost anything that’s around, so I don’t doubt that they would eat fish if it were offered. But in the wild, they mostly eat grass.
iglew - May 16, 2009
Aha - thanks for the fowl tips
Nico - May 16, 2009
There's a mess of ospreys here.
There’s also the street Osprey that me ma used to live on and the town Osprey, where the 24-hour Super Walmart is, the only thing close to a 24-hour grocery store here.
There’s reasons #1,943 and #765 for the list, right there.
Leopold Bloom - May 16, 2009
after trailing all game long
the Mets have tied it in the top of the seventh
OaklandSi - May 15, 2009
and Ichiro just gave Seattle the lead.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
I'm kind of hoping for a bronze medal at this point
but I may be getn too cocky.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
Good recap, BBG
So much better to read than having to listen to that game. For once I’m glad I had to miss a Friday night game.
Now A’s, go get some sleep and come out tomorrow and get ’em back!
worldblee - May 15, 2009
You READ it? Wow.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
You mean, as opposed to just going straight to making comments?
worldblee - May 15, 2009
I'm kidding.
She does a great job but there isn’t a lot that can be said. They stink.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
Only in the majority of games
A minority of the time they actually play well. Can’t we just focus on the glass being one quarter full?
worldblee - May 15, 2009
Thanks...
Had a lot of time to write it ;-)
baseballgirl - May 15, 2009
I already have tomorrow's written
Nico - May 15, 2009
is that the prequel?
OaklandSi - May 15, 2009
Here's how the A's come back
How Underdogs Break the Rules
Now we just need to figure out we can play full court press baseball.
worldblee - May 15, 2009
OT - did y'all catch Chad Gaudin's pitching line starting yesterday?
IIRC, it was 4.1 IP, 1 hit, 7 BB (4 ER).
Nico - May 15, 2009
He used to be "your" boy
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
That's a misperception, actually
I lobbied for him to be moved into the rotation (as I did for Duke and will for Bailey next year), but not because i thought he’d be some great starter – I thought he’d be a solid #4, and until he got hurt he was. But he hasn’t been the same since his hip injury/surgery.
Nico - May 15, 2009
and it was at a time when Kennedy was gas-canning
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
Remember when he had no-hit stuff at Yankee stadium?
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
have you seen my baseball?
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
"And he's just going to have to eat the baseball!"
Hey – the Phillies really ARE crap!
Nico - May 15, 2009
Orlando Cabrera has been a big bust so far this year
His offense isn’t remotely up to par with his career stats and his defense has been error-filled already in this early season. The kick to the crotch here is that we lose a second round draft pick because we signed him. And following the kick, here comes the stomp to the same region. His contract stipulates that the A’s can’t offer him arbitration this year, so no draft compensation. I would’ve stuck with Crosby or given Petit a chance.
franks a lot - May 15, 2009
He's been disappointing in a lot of ways, but
I was for the signing at the price. Crosby and Petit weren’t the answers to anything.
Nico - May 15, 2009
Crosby was here to stay and hoping he could become a utility player with such short notice was foolhardy
I think the price for Cabrera was too high. But his signing made sense in the framework of Beane going all in for this season. Which, ultimately, was a flawed endeavor (due to starting pitching in flux, the Chavez domino effect, etc.).
franks a lot - May 15, 2009
In this one case I'm with BB.
He tried to get Furcal who was a better option. I mean he waited…and waited…and waited before signing Cabrera who was the 2nd best option.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
Yup - Cabrera is like Rhodes
He wasn’t “first choice” but he was “better than Mecir closing.”
Nico - May 16, 2009
gad - Mecir fear mecir hah
ak_A - May 16, 2009
He really wasn't 2nd choice either.
More like, the-only-one-left-that-we-can-afford choice.
iglew - May 16, 2009
TARE could not have possibly been any worse than Mecir closing.
Leopold Bloom - May 16, 2009
He's made a couple bad plays
But he’s so much better defensively than anybody else on the team it’s not even funny.
He just needs to hit 9th. Anything from him on offense should be considered a bonus.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Why pay him millions of dollars and bat him 9th, hoping he contributes offensively and remains steady at short?
Petit could’ve done that.
franks a lot - May 15, 2009
Because Petit's not close to Cabrera defensively
mikev - May 15, 2009
Petit isn't the panacea to the offense's woes
I just have a problem with Cabrera’s poor defense this year. He’s an aging shortstop with an average bat and declining defensive worth…
franks a lot - May 15, 2009
It hasn't actually been that poor though.
mikev - May 15, 2009
I admit I'm not a fan of the guy because I've seen him miss some VERY routine plays at short this year
And his less than stellar bat hasn’t been able to wipe away those bad fielding moments
franks a lot - May 15, 2009
He's made a lot of tough plays look routine, though
admittedly, he looked poor tonight. which is always the closest to the heart
alea iacta est - May 16, 2009
He's actually looked bad at SS for about a week
But before that he looked pretty awesome. Maybe it’s a “fielding slump.”
Nico - May 16, 2009
maybe the poor dear just needs a sit down and a cup of tea
alea iacta est - May 16, 2009
Someone should gather the whole team and tell them
“GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER”
ElQuesoCapitan - May 15, 2009
or just tell them to EAT SHIT AND DIE :-)
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
You're the captain.
67MARQUEZ - May 15, 2009
He's got a point, Cap'n.
Perhaps you should tell the troops.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
And the players should go,
“Oh, OK!”
Nico - May 16, 2009
Seriously, though.
I don’t trust Geren to be the one to just lose it and yell at them, but that’s what they need after a game like that. It’s especially egregious that they imploded with Anderson on the mound. If I were Geren I would put the whole veteran infield through Spring training drills before today’s game.
DDroney - May 16, 2009
HAAHHAHAHAH GIANTS
mikev - May 15, 2009
yeah, things could be worse
Brian Wilson has given the game to the Mets for the second straight night. At least the A’s got totally blown away from the get go…the Giants should have won this game.
OaklandSi - May 15, 2009
and he can't sing anymore
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
wouldn't it be nice?
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Oh we could be married!
And then we’d be happy!
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
Eh, J/K
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
I don't think you'd be happy with that.
I’m not the marrying kind.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Yeah. I'll just go ahead and keep the other half of my shit.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
LOL.
I almost spit out my beer.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
Its cool.
Me either.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
I know.
I like that about you.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
It was the song, is all.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
I know, gf.
I know.
You’re pretty.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Thank you.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
You're adored.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
so are you, baby.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Get a room, you two.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Jealous.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
:cry:
mikev - May 15, 2009
pot, meet kettle.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
Wait, who am I getting a room with?
mikev - May 15, 2009
Not with us, sweetie.
You can find our own way.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
your, eh.
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
It's cool
I’m not down with the whole 3rd wheel bit.
mikev - May 15, 2009
I'm here now baby. We can go.
ZigFan31 - May 15, 2009
mikev - May 15, 2009
What is WITH the hair.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
maybe he hopes to distract the batters
but he may be distracting the defense instead
OaklandSi - May 15, 2009
Wilson is done
and the crowd boo
SwisherThresher - May 15, 2009
Fixed for posterity’s sake.
ElQuesoCapitan - May 15, 2009
K-Rod warming up for the Mets
SwisherThresher - May 15, 2009
BS 1
ElQuesoCapitan - May 15, 2009
CAN. NOT. WATCH.
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
SwisherThresher - May 15, 2009
viddy well, brother.
viddy well.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
A Clockwork...Peach
ohtobe21likehuston - May 15, 2009
awesome
iglew - May 16, 2009
nice callback
alea iacta est - May 16, 2009
Giants FINALLY catch a Mets baserunner stealing
Mets stole like 7 bases last night
OaklandSi - May 15, 2009
Everybody's favorite closer.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
Bailey!?!?
mikev - May 15, 2009
I'm really glad he's in the NL now
because he has actually gotten better…
OaklandSi - May 15, 2009
Does he have to fall off the goddamn mound every time he throws the ball?
Ridiculous.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
easy, pamcakes.
mikev - May 15, 2009
He has not gotten better
He is facing many for the 1st time and the NL is worse as far as hitters go. That is IMO and no doubt many others as well.
Trainman - May 16, 2009
oh look
The highlights of the game are on Sportscenter.
IN HD. FUCK YOU, AT&T AND COMCAST.
mikev - May 15, 2009
Haha!
lynnzgal - May 15, 2009
they're showing it repeatedly on MLB network.
GRAND SLAM
GRAND SLAM
GRAND SLAM
LOOK TWO GRAND SLAMS
IN ONE GAME
GRAND SLAM
GRAND SLAM
GRAND SLAM
TWO GRAND SLAMS
AND LOOK AT ALL THESE ERRORS AS WE PLAY THEM IN A MONTAGE
ElQuesoCapitan - May 15, 2009
Yes, today sucked.
Tomorrow will be better.
pam5981 - May 15, 2009
Wow.
It’s nice that they remembered we have a team.
Leopold Bloom - May 15, 2009
I don't get MLB network either.
FUCK YOU AGAIN, AT&T
mikev - May 15, 2009
I missed this
did they put comedy benny hill style music behind this?
alea iacta est - May 16, 2009
That'd be fun.
Leopold Bloom - May 16, 2009
So, something that was brought up in the threads earlier was a comment on the giant sign on the approach to the bay bridge
I’m going to go ahead and assume it’s the one that is for Diet Coke. Well, I took the bus up that way tonight, and the t is out. so it says
Just wanted to share that, yeah
alea iacta est - May 16, 2009
I'm sure no clever people sabotaged it , either.
Leopold Bloom - May 16, 2009
Should be a great Giants game tomorrow
Johnson vs. Santana
SFBAsportsfan - May 16, 2009
Go A's!!!
Hopefully, we can start the Tigers on a losing streak. They’ve been hot way before we showed up. Gonna take a lot to turn that around. I’m kinda going with the same theory as I do with the Raiders. I bet against them and root for them. So when they lose I still win. Got the Tigers this week. Let’s hope I lose. Did pretty good tonight, though. Was able to put Giambi in to replace Youkilis while he is on the DL. I hope Giambi hits #400 so he can relax and fly past 401 and 402….
SFBAsportsfan - May 16, 2009
The Tigers were swept by the Twins the series before this one
Nico - May 16, 2009
It appears Randy Johnson
is pitching like he’s 145.
6 plus ERA is awful. Time to retire
Trainman - May 16, 2009
I like this Adam Kennedy
I’m so glad to see the A’s get a second baseman that has good numbers at the plate. I thought it was kinda crappy that the whole infield was replaced after last year, except for Ellis. As much as I like Ellis, he sucked it up at the plate last year, too. The thing that’s hard about Ellis is that he is solid. Maybe he can learn to play third base, lol.
SFBAsportsfan - May 16, 2009
yay! A mention in the postgame wrap!
finding the silver lining.
JJ - May 16, 2009
Whoa, woke up to
check out what I hoped would be no-game due to rain. And I see the score and read the bloody tale of E’s. (wrings hands)
ak_A - May 16, 2009
Did your hands answer, or did they let the machine pick up?
Nico - May 16, 2009
You're wreally wreaching with that one, Nico.
iglew - May 16, 2009
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