and the sucky thing about it is, he’s a damn good player and he’s hard to dislike. The fact that he’s on the A’s makes it worse because you want to hate him, but he’s practically unhateable.
It really is amazing that Geren decided to throw the game. Everyone on AN, everyone in the stadium knew that once Alan Embree entered the game, the game was over.
Ziegler isn’t throwing like 98mph….his arm is okay, and he’s MOWING THEM DOWN!! Embree, ....shit, ....Scioscia’s even batted against Embree, everyone knows his stuff.
Lefty minor league hitters did very well against Ziggy. And how often does a reliever on any team pitch three innings? Everyone in this thread is just a flat out moron. No two ways about it.
And to the extent that is wrong, was their an obviously better choice? No. Ziggy had already pitched two innings and isn’t good against lefties. Foulke is just worse than Embree overall. Same with Brown. Casilla has struggled coming off an injury. And the matchups were good for the A’s even aside from all of that. Hence the stupidity of your remarks.
1. Letting Embree pitch to Vlad - just a bad percentage move all the way ‘round. Yes, I hate IBBs almost as much as I hate playing the infield in (#2) - but walking Vlad was absolutely what should have been done there. 3. Taking Embree out after the GA HR. I have never understood the conventional-wisdom reasoning that says to trust a pitcher in low-percentage-of-success situations, set him up to fail, and then take him out when there’s nothing at stake and he has a decent chance of just finishing the inning.
Its happened way too often this year, release the guy and stop believing the illusion someone is going to sign that guy to a major league contract and get you a draft pick. Thats ball is straight.
But the truth is that there weren’t any good choices. Casilla has been awful since coming off the DL. Gaudin, Foulke, and Brown aren’t special. So he didn’t have any real choice.
That said, I also hate the idea that Embree should have the 8th. I’d have handled it hitter by hitter. In a game this important, there’s nothing wrong with that.
That’s the problem—that kind of thinking. Except for your closer, you should just match your bullpen to the situation. It’s not just one-out lefties who should be used that way.
Harden didn’t even have his best stuff tonight. It was more impressive that he worked through it. Pitiful that he can go 5 innings with nothing, and embree can’t go 1 with everything.
For blaming his strikeout in his AB before the homer on a beachball. His exact words, “I saw the kid running on the field and I couldn’t hit once I saw that.”
One of the Fox Sports SoCal studio guys says K-Rod getting 40 saves before the All-Star break is, “a done deal”. He has 33 as of tonight with 11 games to play (only 1 day off). While it’s possible, I’d hardly call it “a done deal”.
Embree has done quite well for us for a long time now, and has made Geren look brilliant on numerous occasions. He was due for a downer of an outing, and it’s not Geren’s fault. It’s just the law of averages. No blames for anyone, because Geren hardly ever gets credit for Embree doing well. We’ll get them tomorrow. Go A’s!
Would it be so hard to ask him about the decisions in the 8th? You want to be nice to kids like Jaymee Sire or whatever her name is, but come on make an effort. This is the major leagues. Can’t we get a major league interview from this Comcast team.
Soon as they finish that stadium in LA the Raiders will be gone, too. Cranky McFeeble “commitment to eggsalad” Davis will be out the door with money flowing from all pores.
I know a team can never have enough bullpen help but with Ziggy and the boys….Embree better step things up. Easy to say after he S!$ the bed like tonight I guess.
is as bad as Embree. Somehow, Billy needs to acquire some offense. I have no ideas on who is realistically available, but it just seems apparent when Barton, Sweeney, and Suzuki come up in the ninth and you have no hope of any of them hitting a home run.
...is that it’s a game against your rivals and your 6 outs away from being only 2.5 out. Why not go for broke. Throw everybody in to get those outs. Don’t leave some poor guy out there to get shelled when he doesn’t have it. I don’t think it’s not too early to say every game counts now.
It’s ONE GAME people! It’s July 1st! It’s a marathon, not a sprint! The A’s will win tomorrow, Dana Eveland will pitch a gem, and order will be restored. We have won funky games from the Angels (the sulk off) so maybe it was their turn. See you all tomorrow, and for goodness sakes, calm down! We still have half a season left!
It's not just about today...we can't continue to manage the bullpen this way. This is a downward spiral and if you think we're going to have a ton of momentum tomorrow night...god bless you for your great attitude.
It’s one thing to lose 11-1 to the Giants even though worthless Blanton was pitching but it’s another to blow a game with suspect managerial decisions. Yes, we are fans on a message board but even a deaf, dumb and Blind mute would have to common sense to walk Vlad and failing that, not have the field drawn in. Hindsight is 20/20 but I and many others wondered why he didn’t walk Vlad before it happened.
Would Ziggy pitching another inning have hurt?
He was very economical so I doubt it
There are many more games left but if you consider Blanton pitching every 5th start then we need to win 3 games with the other starters to compensate.
Patrol Craft Mojo
Buck Turgidson - July 1, 2008
I don't know if he's capable of going 3 innings,
but I’d love to see Ziggy pitch the 8th when Vlad comes up. Please not Embree-Vlad…
Nico - July 1, 2008
I like Embree,
but I don’t like that matchup.
IowaA'sFan - July 1, 2008
+10
iglew, the other nine are my multiple personalities.
149 - July 1, 2008
that would be a horror show, i would walk out of.
ak_A - July 1, 2008
I don't like the combination of
3 innings plus starting off with two lefties. I’d definitely go with Embree here.
mikeA - July 1, 2008
Do. Not. Even. Joke.
I think I just got Hives thinking about Embree facing Vlad.
Joey C. - July 1, 2008
Seriously folks, Ziggy is awesome
He throws almost all strikes, and no one can hit them.
mikeA - July 1, 2008
they can hit them
they just ground them to 2nd
Zonis - July 1, 2008
All right. Let's go, Offense!
Poppy - July 1, 2008
What she said!
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
LOUDER!
They clearly didn’t hear.
Poppy - July 1, 2008
THAT's better!
Woohoo MaEl!
Poppy - July 1, 2008
Come on Booby.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
Tonight someone asked me to name my favorite player on my least favorite team...
I said Scot Shields. Don’t let me down!
jonahbartlett - July 1, 2008
A-Rod for me
iglew - July 1, 2008
Bootlick for me
149 - July 1, 2008
Really?
Is he actually your favorite? Or do you just like him because he sucks and we can hit against him?
iglew - July 1, 2008
Holy Crap Crosby was almost standing out of the box.
Zonis - July 1, 2008
I keep complaining
and he never listens to me.
what’s up?
MobiusKlein - July 1, 2008
type louder
Zonis - July 1, 2008
STAND
STAND CLOSER TO THE PLATE MR. CROSBY!!
MobiusKlein - July 1, 2008
That credit score AD is really catchy. I'm just glad that isn't MY score!!
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
Ziggy is just awesome!
Amazing my friends…
mrod - July 1, 2008
Love heem!
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
where can i find
the frequency in which cargon swings at the first pitch?
sourstuff - July 1, 2008
THANK YOU ELLIS!
Zonis - July 1, 2008
ELLIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
brenarlo - July 1, 2008
gawd I love that man.
149 - July 1, 2008
Get in line!
Poppy - July 1, 2008
No doubt. Dudes around here have crushes on him.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
When I grow up
I’m going to BE Mark Ellis.
149 - July 1, 2008
Like Mark. I want to be like Mark.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
Ellis!
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
jonahbartlett - July 1, 2008
Unicorns and rainbows and Jennifer!!
A’s lead 3-2.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
YAHTZEE!!!!
mikev - July 1, 2008
YES!
Hooray for MaEl and New Thread MOJO!!!
oblique - July 1, 2008
Ellie!
is da King!!!!!!
mrod - July 1, 2008
man oh man!
ak_A - July 1, 2008
woooooo!
SwisherThresher - July 1, 2008
And PS- Please see my above comment about Scot Shields... I'm sticking to it!
jonahbartlett - July 1, 2008
I love Mark Ellis!
justarebelheart - July 1, 2008
I love Unicorns
And new thread mojo.
Tyler Bleszinski - July 1, 2008
ok i got it
new offense mojo adjusted=ask for obscure stat about a rookie.
sourstuff - July 1, 2008
LOL
Poppy - July 1, 2008
And the thread explodes!
MOJO BABY!
Without a skank, even.
IowaA'sFan - July 1, 2008
dude
u werent there.
sourstuff - July 1, 2008
Hey, don't get me wrong.
I love skank mojo.
IowaA'sFan - July 1, 2008
Shields
Forget that one tomorrow buddy!
Emmett89 - July 1, 2008
Fuck yeah!!!
mrod - July 1, 2008
Unicorn Powaaaaaah!
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
Yay Mark!
WaddellCanseco - July 1, 2008
Yeah run in
on a nice bit of hitting by Ellis
A'sfaninNC - July 1, 2008
Semi OT question
Any A’s fans in the Chicago area planning on going to any of the games this weekend? I’ll be going to Thursday’s.
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
That's why I never let anyone relieve me
because…well…I’m just used to relieving myself.
LAXile - July 1, 2008
Ellis
can do damage, fo sure!
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
So dope
Resign that guy.
Joey C. - July 1, 2008
No, don't!
But re-sign him for sure!
Nico - July 1, 2008
Uh...
I mean Shields. Yeah.
Joey C. - July 1, 2008
nice
SwisherThresher - July 1, 2008
indeed
like he doesn’t have a worry in the world.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
He sure loves hitting on the road
Go A’s
Trainman - July 1, 2008
And against righties
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
I think bringing Embree in here is fine,
but I’d rather see him pitch to the first two hitters and then…Well, your choices would probably be Casilla, Foulke, Street for more than an inning.
Nico - July 1, 2008
Or just leave Ziggy in since he's been pretty much unhittable.
mikev - July 1, 2008
what if geren
decides street should face vlad in the 8th? Is that when you kill yourself?
sourstuff - July 1, 2008
I think that’s the only acceptable approach to if that happens
justarebelheart - July 1, 2008
Take that Baron Davis
and screw your 2nd tier L.A. teams
Athletix Man - July 1, 2008
Oh yes!
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
and the sucky thing about it is, he’s a damn good player and he’s hard to dislike. The fact that he’s on the A’s makes it worse because you want to hate him, but he’s practically unhateable.
Don’t call me Desmond
by highlandhalo on Jul 1, 2008 9:12 PM PDT
justarebelheart - July 1, 2008
Funny, that's pretty much how I feel about Vlad.
He’s just fun to watch hit.
mikev - July 1, 2008
I concur
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
small adjustment
149 - July 1, 2008
You're thinking of Manny Ramirez
Seriously, somebody plunk that guy.
Joey C. - July 1, 2008
+eleventybillion
mikev - July 1, 2008
oh there's plenty of guys
on The Plunk-it List.
149 - July 1, 2008
But not, ironically, Eric Plunk
Joey C. - July 1, 2008
"practically" unhateable?!
Meaning they think he’s not entirely unhateable? Bastards!
Poppy - July 1, 2008
Well that was not good.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
God Help Us
Trainman - July 1, 2008
Yay Embree.
You suck.
mikev - July 1, 2008
yikes
Kotchman hits lhps very well…
mikeA - July 1, 2008
I'd really like to know why Ziggy was pulled.
mikev - July 1, 2008
I would have let him see one more lefty.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
2 innings, not so good against lefties?
Nothing wrong with that move.
mikeA - July 1, 2008
Lefties are 4-15 off Ziggy
I’d take my chances with that rather than let Embree give up the inevitable run.
mikev - July 1, 2008
No
mikeA - July 1, 2008
runs
danh - July 1, 2008
Fine but he was really locating everything.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
Way to go Embree....Damn!!
wacchampions - July 1, 2008
GRD
Gimme Ziggy back.
catcherbren - July 1, 2008
well, I just might leave this
a while and go out on the deck and gaze at the mountains.
ak_A - July 1, 2008
Man up!
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
Walk Vlad
Trainman - July 1, 2008
Embree
It’s probably the Kotchman double that just happened talking, but he just makes me nervous every time he’s in.
He’s like a left handed Jim Mecir.
Emmett89 - July 1, 2008
That would be Ricardo Rincon
WaddellCanseco - July 1, 2008
Yarth
Commence rocking myself gently in the corner while sobbing.
Joey C. - July 1, 2008
So why was Ziggy taken out?
justarebelheart - July 1, 2008
Probably because it would have been a third inning for him.
iglew - July 1, 2008
BULLPEN
For the love of god, bring a righty in!
Emmett89 - July 1, 2008
Oh help me.
NO
Emmett89 - July 1, 2008
Beer me.
Poppy - July 1, 2008
DO NOT LET EMBREE PITCH TO VLAD, GEREN
mikev - July 1, 2008
really
he’s due
One won lost won - July 1, 2008
Boo!
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
I feel like the "TO VLAD" part of that sentence is unnecessary
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
If only I could go back in time and not let Embree pitch at all...
mikev - July 1, 2008
Better yet
I wish someone else was pitching to Vlad right now.
Tyler Bleszinski - July 1, 2008
this is why i said
embree 6, ziggy 7-8….
sourstuff - July 1, 2008
it's the nightmare you've all been waiting for!
Tizoc - July 1, 2008
Ziegler can't be trusted with the 8th inning yet
WaddellCanseco - July 1, 2008
Bean Him.
catcherbren - July 1, 2008
Am I the only one who has no confidence in Embree...I am just never comftoable when he is in...
wacchampions - July 1, 2008
I have confidence in him
Usually. But not here.
IowaA'sFan - July 1, 2008
He's not very good. He's alright. He should be more of a mop up guy than a go-to guy though
But Geren isn’t smart enough to figure that out.
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
From some of the responses i’d say no
justarebelheart - July 1, 2008
Ha ha..ok I feel better about myself then.....I would have hated to be the only one...LOL
wacchampions - July 1, 2008
I feel you
butler19 - July 1, 2008
I turn the volume down
in situations like this, so I don’t have to hear Hudler and Physioc felash each other if the Angels do something good.
Emmett89 - July 1, 2008
truly
at least we have the correct announcers
One won lost won - July 1, 2008
ditto, but i manned up to hang in on mute.
ak_A - July 1, 2008
I'm proud,
and sorry.
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
The chances of Vlad at least hitting a fly ball here are
very, very good.
Tyler Bleszinski - July 1, 2008
at time like this
I try to take comfort in the Halos’ hitting slump.
149 - July 1, 2008
Ya think?
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
Strike him out
Hit4TheCycle - July 1, 2008
yeah
Embree throws 94 very very straight.
Positive thoughts here.
apilgrim - July 1, 2008
Damn That Was Nearly K3
Raymond St. Martin (Saint) - July 1, 2008
Maaaybe Embree won't give up more than 1 run here
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
tie game....knew it
One won lost won - July 1, 2008
Lovely
Tyler Bleszinski - July 1, 2008
Infield In Huh?
Raymond St. Martin (Saint) - July 1, 2008
Crap!!!
wacchampions - July 1, 2008
Embree owes Ellis an apology
149 - July 1, 2008
....and Ziegler
Perko - July 1, 2008
...and us.
Poppy - July 1, 2008
...and his poor, dear old mother.
oblique - July 1, 2008
OK I'm officially on the Embree Sucks bandwagon.
oblique - July 1, 2008
Careful, it's getting crowded
butler19 - July 1, 2008
Note:
Build bigger wagon for band.
149 - July 1, 2008
Not a fly ball but effective
Hit4TheCycle - July 1, 2008
Wow, that was totally shocking. I'm amazed at that.
This one’s on Geren.
mikev - July 1, 2008
Damn right it is
Bad decisions all around.
Gotta get some more runs top 9
Trainman - July 1, 2008
DAMN!
justarebelheart - July 1, 2008
Dammit. This really sucks.
Why are these games always so gut-wrenching?
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
Because Geren is horrible at bullpen management most of the time?
mikev - July 1, 2008
I don't think he's been that bad.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
He pays little to no attention to situations.
His “Embree in the 8th inning no matter what” bullshit is hurting the team.
mikev - July 1, 2008
that wasn't it at all
mikeA - July 1, 2008
He still thinks Embree is an elite level reliever.
He’s not.
He’s pretty good sometimes. He throws hard and he’s a lefty.
He faces WAY too many right handed hitters.
mikev - July 1, 2008
Thanks for having the infield in and also not walking Vlad
Trainman - July 1, 2008
agreed
Just not smart by Geren
monkeyball - July 1, 2008
AWESOME. LEAVE HIM IN FOR ANOTHER RIGHTY!
mikev - July 1, 2008
IF in pays off again....
mikeA - July 1, 2008
Bob Geren, eat a bowl of knives
And can somebody else please handle the bullpen from now on. Like maybe a retarded chimp. Ugh.
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
you rang?
monkeyball - July 1, 2008
I wanted Ziggy to get the win
F#@%
Tyler Bleszinski - July 1, 2008
The A's will be lucky to get a win with this assclown managing
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
Kotchman is hitting .364 versus lefties like Embree
not sure why Ziegler didn’t pitch the 8th. Makes zero sense.
One won lost won - July 1, 2008
I can't blame Embree for that one.
A weak chopper got through the infield. Shit happens.
IowaA'sFan - July 1, 2008
Setting up the D Play Would Have been good too;
Raymond St. Martin (Saint) - July 1, 2008
I'm shocked Geren didn't walk him
WaddellCanseco - July 1, 2008
I am not
he’s the damn winning run.
mikeA - July 1, 2008
true
WaddellCanseco - July 1, 2008
I feel bad for Ziggy.......
Coffee13eans - July 1, 2008
Don't we have a righty?
Why is Embree facing all these right handed hitters?
sprtsnwyn - July 1, 2008
Um, because Geren is bad at this managing thing.
There’s really no other explanation.
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
Rest of bullpen dead?
IowaA'sFan - July 1, 2008
The problem is
that the choice was between Foulke and Embree and sadly, I would probably take Embree.
Then again, Casilla would’ve been my first choice.
Tyler Bleszinski - July 1, 2008
me too
butler19 - July 1, 2008
Ziggy should have stayed in.
mikev - July 1, 2008
Exactly
He could have gone another inning
Trainman - July 1, 2008
Why would you take Embree?
Foulke has been better this year.
And the Angels are much more of a fastball hitting team than a whatever-slop-Foulke-throws hitting team
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
Foulke strikes me as more hittable than Embree right now
I would’ve gone with Casilla or even Gaudin.
Tyler Bleszinski - July 1, 2008
Why is Gaudin such a forgotten bullpen arm
It’s baffling to me.
mikev - July 1, 2008
I was thinking maybe they were trying to get him ready to start again
But probably not.
Tyler Bleszinski - July 1, 2008
Not pitching, like, ever isn't really the best way to get him ready to start again.
mikev - July 1, 2008
I'd say Gaudin
Casilla has been shaky since his return from the DL.
Foulke doesn’t throw hard so he seems more hittable. The problem: People just crush Embree on a fairly consistent basis.
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
I'd say Gaudin
Casilla has been shaky since his return from the DL.
Foulke doesn’t throw hard so he seems more hittable. The problem: People just crush Embree on a fairly consistent basis.
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
no he has not
mikeA - July 1, 2008
Well crap!
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
In The Words Of Ken Macha:
Der Uh Em-Bu-ree Is Our 8th Inning Guy
Raymond St. Martin (Saint) - July 1, 2008
Wear It Geren
Raymond St. Martin (Saint) - July 1, 2008
Embree
Before this at bat. Vlad was 4-10 against Embree.
Sample size, but come on!
Emmett89 - July 1, 2008
I, for one, don't believe in sample-size caveats for individual hitter-pitcher PWNage
monkeyball - July 1, 2008
Is Embree the semi-new Rincon?
butler19 - July 1, 2008
He's 3 months older than Rincon
WaddellCanseco - July 1, 2008
Is it too soon for
Fire Geren Now!?
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
FGN for short
I’m tempted to sign the petition.
Joey C. - July 1, 2008
Dinnertime mojo.
sourstuff, don’t forget to ask for an obscure Baby Sweeney stat next inning.
Poppy - July 1, 2008
got it
chief.
sourstuff - July 1, 2008
Maybe some stats on a skank?
oblique - July 1, 2008
That's not usually what I notice first
Joey C. - July 1, 2008
btw
its not my fault harden didnt get the nohitter last game, im just trying to make up for everyone else’s mojo shortcomings.
sourstuff - July 1, 2008
Hope the media grills the shit out of him for that sequence of events
Trainman - July 1, 2008
oh yeah...
Pig Nosed Girl will get right on that.
149 - July 1, 2008
Isn't the Bay Area media notoriously soft?
After all, they let Dusty Baker get a pass for a decade.
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
if anything goes wrong
Desmond Hume will be my constant.
sourstuff - July 1, 2008
Embree more like Mecir
One won lost won - July 1, 2008
That is a stretch.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
Naw, Mecir was handicapped,
Embree doesn’t have that excuse.
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
Aw crap.
pam5981 - July 1, 2008
gad, what is coming?
ak_A - July 1, 2008
Embre is,
GIVING IT ALL AWAAYYYYYYYYYY
catcherbren - July 1, 2008
Wow
Zooks came really close to missing that ball.
Tyler Bleszinski - July 1, 2008
Kotchman
Is a career .300 against lefties as well.
Come on Geren. Baseball-reference.com isn’t just for fans!
Emmett89 - July 1, 2008
K
that should have been Vlad
Tizoc - July 1, 2008
My insides are crying
butler19 - July 1, 2008
My outsides are crying.
It’s not pretty.
danmerqury - July 1, 2008
My tears have tears.
Coach Cleats - July 1, 2008
It feels like my heart was dropped in a pot of boiling tears
(the office)
butler19 - July 1, 2008
Thinking "LOB"
with both my insides and outsides…
Not yet prepared to cry.
149 - July 1, 2008
I hate that old school baseball mentality
that certain relief pitchers “own” certain innings. If you have better options, you start using them in the later innings.
Tyler Bleszinski - July 1, 2008
The Gaudin disappearance needs to be explained.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
YYESSSS
butler19 - July 1, 2008
AAAAAAAH!
What the hell?!
danmerqury - July 1, 2008
Ah F me.
I’m crying now.
149 - July 1, 2008
It's officially time to start swearing!
pam5981 - July 1, 2008
Hey Pam
You got here just in time.
iglew - July 1, 2008
I've been watching
but my internet has been down all evening
pam5981 - July 1, 2008
Ah, makes sense
When my internet is down, I don’t hear the game at all. (Unless we’re playing the Mariners.)
iglew - July 1, 2008
HR
Hit4TheCycle - July 1, 2008
GA
You can not walk him. You just can’t!
Emmett89 - July 1, 2008
This really, really, really sucks.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
DUMB EMBREE
damn embree, YOU SUCK
catcherbren - July 1, 2008
Thanks, Embree
Flashfire - July 1, 2008
eff
on Geren
31Boots - July 1, 2008
Oakland 3 and Bob Geren's Angels 5
F* You Embree and Geren
Trainman - July 1, 2008
Thanks Embree
brenarlo - July 1, 2008
fuck
mikeA - July 1, 2008
CGV Alert
FUCK YOU EMBREE. FUCK YOU GEREN.
mikev - July 1, 2008
hORRIBle
TheLC - July 1, 2008
I officially dislike embree
justarebelheart - July 1, 2008
Son of a bitch
WHY. WHY?
Emmett89 - July 1, 2008
click
ak_A - July 1, 2008
A's Em-bleed
muscatel - July 1, 2008
Game Over
It really is amazing that Geren decided to throw the game. Everyone on AN, everyone in the stadium knew that once Alan Embree entered the game, the game was over.
Zonis - July 1, 2008
Come, come, Zonis
These are Angels fans. Most of them don’t know who Alan Embree is now, much less when he entered the game.
Englishmajor - July 1, 2008
I didn't know that.
I guess I’m slow.
iglew - July 1, 2008
God Damn It
Now I have to hear Rex Hudler talking more. Thanks Embree.
coberloco - July 1, 2008
Garrett Anderson?
WaddellCanseco - July 1, 2008
Well damn that sucks balls
good luck in the ninth im going to bed
A'sfaninNC - July 1, 2008
Ken Geren or Bob Macha?
Trainman - July 1, 2008
Ken Macha
149 - July 1, 2008
Show of hands
Did EVERYONE see this coming when Embree came in? Just making sure.
sprtsnwyn - July 1, 2008
yes
butler19 - July 1, 2008
hand up here
Ziegler isn’t throwing like 98mph….his arm is okay, and he’s MOWING THEM DOWN!!
Embree, ....shit, ....Scioscia’s even batted against Embree, everyone knows his stuff.
One won lost won - July 1, 2008
Thanks for playing
Joey C. - July 1, 2008
ZOMFG
ZOMFGZOMFGZOMFGZOMFG
Excuse me while I swallow a few dozen sleeping pills.
IowaA'sFan - July 1, 2008
Hey, save some for the rest of us
My oven’s electric and I have no toaster to throw in my bathtub.
Joey C. - July 1, 2008
Now you pull him. Fantastic.
Again. This loss is 100% on Geren.
mikev - July 1, 2008
Thank goodness, Geren's getting Embree out of there
before something bad happens.. :-(
oblique - July 1, 2008
Just a tad too late, damage done
justarebelheart - July 1, 2008
There's some over managing before this inning
Damn
Hit4TheCycle - July 1, 2008
I need a ride
Is there a FUCK EMBREE bandwagon?
149 - July 1, 2008
pathetic
jonahbartlett - July 1, 2008
Ball Game.
Syphon - July 1, 2008
click here tooo
tht was simply too predictable.
One won lost won - July 1, 2008
you know what sucks
he’ll be back out there tomorrow in the same f’ing situation
jshaw25 - July 1, 2008
what a joke
Im sitting here telling my girlfriend Embree doesn’t look very good and they should take him out. boooom
If i can see it how the hell cant Geren see it???
Spidz34 - July 1, 2008
loan Geren your GF.
just a suggestion. Couldn’t hurt (Geren).
149 - July 1, 2008
ejmbree........is...washed.........up3
3
SwampyD - July 1, 2008
next hitter is in the 230's walk him dont let him hit a HR
TheLC - July 1, 2008
Geren sure loves his vets.
lenscrafters - July 1, 2008
So how many times does Geren have to do this
Before he’s unemployed? It happens at least once a week where he completely blows it with his stupidity.
I’m willing to root for bullpen implosions on a regular basis if it means Geren is somewhere else before the end of the month.
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
Overall a poor manager
Not just with bull-pen management but overall I am not impressed with him at all
Yellowhorse - July 1, 2008
Alan Embree: the new Kiko Calero
Thanks, Bob.
The damn thing is, Garret Anderson absolutely stinks. So how does this happen?
Faust - July 1, 2008
Alan Embree is not very good
And he threw about 30 pitches before getting to Anderson
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
The thing is
Embree was just fine in the first couple of months, when everyone was touting our bullpen
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
He wasn't that good then, either
He had a 4.91 ERA in May.
thejd44 - July 1, 2008
Cut Kiko a break
At least he had multiple good years for the A’s. This is more like Jay Witasick.
Joey C. - July 1, 2008
He used the power of his porno stache
Tyler Bleszinski - July 1, 2008
The level of stupidity on here tonight is incredible.
mikeA - July 1, 2008
Short of Gaudin I think some overestimate what we have in the bullpen.
I still wish Ziggy could have faced Kotchman, though.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
with you on the Kotchman idea
seems like a no-brainer.
One won lost won - July 1, 2008
He was just in one of those "dealing" modes that you don't see very often.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
Even that doesn't make sense
Lefty minor league hitters did very well against Ziggy. And how often does a reliever on any team pitch three innings? Everyone in this thread is just a flat out moron. No two ways about it.
mikeA - July 1, 2008
Come on, mikeA. No need to call us all morons.
Some just have opinions that differ from yours.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
Opinions differ, whatever,
but the stridency of the opinions when they are not easy calls in the slightest is just flat out stupid. And that is a fact.
mikeA - July 1, 2008
(and I wasn't including you)
mikeA - July 1, 2008
OK
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
you're totally right. Geren's move worked brilliantly.
Oh wait, Embree sucked ass and was getting banged around like a screen door.
mikev - July 1, 2008
This comment is moronic
mikeA - July 1, 2008
So you think Embree should have pitched the 8th inning, am I right?
First to a guy who hits lefties better than righties
Then to a switch hitter
THEN to the best hitter on the team, who is a righty?
mikev - July 1, 2008
yes, I do
And to the extent that is wrong, was their an obviously better choice? No. Ziggy had already pitched two innings and isn’t good against lefties. Foulke is just worse than Embree overall. Same with Brown. Casilla has struggled coming off an injury. And the matchups were good for the A’s even aside from all of that. Hence the stupidity of your remarks.
mikeA - July 1, 2008
Agree to disagree then
You’re 100% correct.
Everybody that expected Embree to fail and then saw it happen is stupid. Not you.
mikev - July 1, 2008
Yes. You’ll notice that none of the AN posters who know what the they’re talking about were among the “everyone.”
mikeA - July 1, 2008
Seriously, get off my ass.
That’s like 3 times in a row that you’ve made some kind of snide comment and insinuated that I’m stupid.
Chill out.
mikev - July 1, 2008
Everyone on this thread
makes hyperbolic over-inclusive statements.
149 - July 1, 2008
three Geren decisions I 100% disagree with
1. Letting Embree pitch to Vlad - just a bad percentage move all the way ‘round. Yes, I hate IBBs almost as much as I hate playing the infield in (#2) - but walking Vlad was absolutely what should have been done there.
3. Taking Embree out after the GA HR. I have never understood the conventional-wisdom reasoning that says to trust a pitcher in low-percentage-of-success situations, set him up to fail, and then take him out when there’s nothing at stake and he has a decent chance of just finishing the inning.
monkeyball - July 1, 2008
yeah
Its happened way too often this year, release the guy and stop believing the illusion someone is going to sign that guy to a major league contract and get you a draft pick.
Thats ball is straight.
apilgrim - July 1, 2008
bum
hes a bum
apilgrim - July 1, 2008
never agian please never again it hurts
TheLC - July 1, 2008
isn't there a need
for left handed relief pitching around baseball? We should trade him for 10 maple bats!
nickatt7 - July 1, 2008
WTG Embree.....damn it!!! What is with the Angels scoring late in almost every game...
Embree never should have been in the game in this spot…...this had you could see it coming written all over it…....
wacchampions - July 1, 2008
We have one of the best pens in baseball
and Geren acts like Embree is the only pitcher we have…
brenarlo - July 1, 2008
+1
butler19 - July 1, 2008
I HEar Art Howe Needs A Job Again
Billy?
coberloco - July 1, 2008
Is this the official beginning of BBBG.....Bring Back Bib Geren?
wacchampions - July 1, 2008
Geren doesn't know how to handel pitchers...
Ran - July 1, 2008
just let them get two more so f*ck-rod doesn't get another
s@ve.
LAXile - July 1, 2008
That would've been a good idea.
oblique - July 1, 2008
On the bright side
Embree making Harden look spectacular tonight.
[crying like a baby]
149 - July 1, 2008
so who here
really wants to have a conversation with Geren? I want answers.
Glomar - July 1, 2008
i want the truth!
thomasstearns - July 1, 2008
"He's a veteran. I trust him."
“Even though all the stats show him to be one of the lesser pitchers in our bullpen, I trust him.”
lenscrafters - July 1, 2008
youve earned it
apilgrim - July 1, 2008
where can I find
Swooney’s batting average on day games played on even numbered days?
sourstuff - July 1, 2008
geren--that was just bad managing
kotchman hits lefties better—so why go with embree anyway. Then a switch hitter and then Vlad.
and then embrees thown 30 pitches by the time he faces the only guy he should have seen in the first place…and gives up a jack to him.
i want to die.
thomasstearns - July 1, 2008
I hate Krod
And now he’s likely going to get a save opportunity.
Emmett89 - July 1, 2008
...
Save, I mean.
He’ll get the opportunity, ha.
Emmett89 - July 1, 2008
+~~
Hate that little goggle dude.
One won lost won - July 1, 2008
should of stuck with Ziggy
buckfan6 - July 1, 2008
Embree no longer has the 8th, I'm guessing
But the truth is that there weren’t any good choices. Casilla has been awful since coming off the DL. Gaudin, Foulke, and Brown aren’t special. So he didn’t have any real choice.
That said, I also hate the idea that Embree should have the 8th. I’d have handled it hitter by hitter. In a game this important, there’s nothing wrong with that.
RLangford - July 1, 2008
Gaudin has been great all year
He should own that eighth inning.
Tyler Bleszinski - July 1, 2008
Nobody should "own" the 8th inning
That’s the problem—that kind of thinking. Except for your closer, you should just match your bullpen to the situation. It’s not just one-out lefties who should be used that way.
RLangford - July 1, 2008
What a kick to the gut.
Geren is an idiot.
Coach Cleats - July 1, 2008
Come on Barton do something!!!
Yellowhorse - July 1, 2008
Amen!
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
Hey good thing Geren took out our best hitter in case someone gets on!
But don’t worry, no one will.
vignette17 - July 1, 2008
What?
Ellis is out of the game? ;-P
149 - July 1, 2008
Barton vs. K-Rod...
LOL
KMoAsFan - July 1, 2008
LOL BARTON V ANYONE
SwampyD - July 1, 2008
+1
He needs to go down to AAA>
brenarlo - July 1, 2008
Come on, Sweeney!
IowaA'sFan - July 1, 2008
did Hudler just gargle his own saliva
while responding to that change up. sorta oddly sexual
Glomar - July 1, 2008
At least this is gonna be quick
pam5981 - July 1, 2008
I guess
our new thread mojo got run over by FGN mojo.
whaxed - July 1, 2008
There has to be someone somewhere who can play instead of Barton
that we can sign as a cheap free-agent.
This is getting ridiculous
Yellowhorse - July 1, 2008
DOY
SwampyD - July 1, 2008
What?
I don’t think it would take much to find someone who can hit better than him.
Yellowhorse - July 1, 2008
dor-K's mechanics are now even goofier than Vlad's
monkeyball - July 1, 2008
so why does he get away with it?
(A: There is no God)
Faust - July 1, 2008
No one said this would be easy
at least no one said it to me.
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
i'm going to throw up
thomasstearns - July 1, 2008
What a shitty way to lose a game :-((
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
Luckily I looked away before dumbass started his stupid routine.
ohtobe21likehuston - July 1, 2008
Sickening
Hit4TheCycle - July 1, 2008
FIRE GEREN NOW
That was unbelievable..
catcherbren - July 1, 2008
Well... that was a waste of a Harden start
and a Zig inning.
149 - July 1, 2008
Exactly. The team has to score more than 3
Yes, Embree is the goat but overall the offense is still the major problem.
Still. We have scored a combined 3 runs in the last starts of Harden and Duke
Yellowhorse - July 1, 2008
Oh, my head.
Nice game, wankers.
IowaA'sFan - July 1, 2008
The pen is pretty thin right now. I'm not sure there are a lot of options rather than Embree.
Ziegler wasn’t really an option.
WaddellCanseco - July 1, 2008
...
Brown?
Emmett89 - July 1, 2008
You must not have seen Sunday's game
The only other guys would have been Casilla or Foulke. None appeal to me much.
WaddellCanseco - July 1, 2008
is worse than Embree
mikeA - July 1, 2008
Disgusting loss
justarebelheart - July 1, 2008
BUILD BIGGER EMBREE HATING BANDWAGON!
149 - July 1, 2008
+1
Glomar - July 1, 2008
That's a backbreaker
Wasting a Harden start with a late-innings loss due to mismanagement. I am not optimistic about taking this series.
Joey C. - July 1, 2008
Adding to that.
Harden didn’t even have his best stuff tonight. It was more impressive that he worked through it. Pitiful that he can go 5 innings with nothing, and embree can’t go 1 with everything.
KMoAsFan - July 1, 2008
How about walking Vlad?
Instead of letting him tie it up? Maybe snag a dp?
catcherbren - July 1, 2008
Way to Snatch a defeat from the jaws of victory......Jesus!!!
wacchampions - July 1, 2008
okay, when's the next game?
Tomorrow? Okay, forget this one.
One won lost won - July 1, 2008
Radio only
so you don’t have to watch.
149 - July 1, 2008
At least the 9th was quick (though not painless).
No Tease.
pam5981 - July 1, 2008
I kinda prefer the tease.
But then again, I frequent strip clubs.
149 - July 1, 2008
I hate goodbyes,
quick is better, like a bandaid rip.
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
maybe
except in January, when I’m suffocating for the lack of baseball, I lament all those quick “painless” innings.
149 - July 1, 2008
I'm surprised.
We usually hit K-Rod fairly well (but not well enough to score anyone).
danmerqury - July 1, 2008
Wear It Geren:
Just once I’d like to see this android take the blame for SOMETHING…Anything
!
Raymond St. Martin (Saint) - July 1, 2008
totally agree
of all losses this season this one is most obviously Geren’s
mistersalty - July 1, 2008
+1 bro!
Fucking left Embree out there to rot when he clearly was struggling to make it happen! Horrible managing in the 8th…
mrod - July 1, 2008
alright guys
i think i have a fundamental understanding of mojo adjusting in terms of pitching. But Embree apparently doesnt respond to it.
sourstuff - July 1, 2008
If Geren is going to make bone-head moves in July....
...what’s he going to pull in September? Can you imagine if this was the last week of September?
Coach Cleats - July 1, 2008
no, I would freaking die
butler19 - July 1, 2008
It's like he always wants to give Embree the 8th
butler19 - July 1, 2008
LMAO @ Garrett Anderson
For blaming his strikeout in his AB before the homer on a beachball. His exact words, “I saw the kid running on the field and I couldn’t hit once I saw that.”
coberloco - July 1, 2008
He's a Professional
and a Halo.
149 - July 1, 2008
The kid retrieving the beachball that is
coberloco - July 1, 2008
Get Geren Pig-Nosed Girl!
149 - July 1, 2008
Wow
hard-hitting questions Jaymee… you should totally bat 3rd for the A’s.
149 - July 1, 2008
and here he is
butler19 - July 1, 2008
I would've rather seen Casilla than Embree in for the 8th.
Coffee13eans - July 1, 2008
Yep!
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
Another LMAO!
One of the Fox Sports SoCal studio guys says K-Rod getting 40 saves before the All-Star break is, “a done deal”. He has 33 as of tonight with 11 games to play (only 1 day off). While it’s possible, I’d hardly call it “a done deal”.
coberloco - July 1, 2008
That's baseball for you.
Embree has done quite well for us for a long time now, and has made Geren look brilliant on numerous occasions. He was due for a downer of an outing, and it’s not Geren’s fault. It’s just the law of averages. No blames for anyone, because Geren hardly ever gets credit for Embree doing well. We’ll get them tomorrow. Go A’s!
A'sfansince1970 - July 1, 2008
I musta been "blinky thinged"
what are these brilliant mirages of Embree innings of which you speak?
149 - July 1, 2008
Time and time again
on numerous occasions in the 8th inning, and a lot of last year in the 9th. Some games just weren’t meant to be. It happens.
A'sfansince1970 - July 1, 2008
last year counts for this year?
good to know.
149 - July 1, 2008
Uh, that interview, I'm having some problems here
Would it be so hard to ask him about the decisions in the 8th? You want to be nice to kids like Jaymee Sire or whatever her name is, but come on make an effort. This is the major leagues. Can’t we get a major league interview from this Comcast team.
RLangford - July 1, 2008
Uh, No
I’d prefer she was fired. If we’re going to have a chick asking stupid f-ing questions, she should be way hotter.
149 - July 1, 2008
K' I'm a chick
and is it wrong that I thought the same thing?
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
I'd prefer it was a super-hot person
asking hard, smart questions… but no one asks me.
149 - July 1, 2008
I just want
the hard, smart questions.
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
I like a woman who is easy to please.
Have a great night (despite the loss).
149 - July 1, 2008
You too!
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
Seems to be an overall lack of talent this year.
More product, less quality.
Oh, and, Kuiper, the mike is over here! Talk into it! Quit mumbling off-mike. Geez.
NotJohnnyDamon - July 1, 2008
Ma-El!
All star and Golden Glover. Its time.
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
you keys to god's ears.
149 - July 1, 2008
Baron Davis going to the Clippers...Geren blowing the game for the A's...
What’s next? Texas sweeping the Yankees? The Giants winning a home game? My world is falling apart!
Coach Cleats - July 1, 2008
And don't forget...
Soon as they finish that stadium in LA the Raiders will be gone, too. Cranky McFeeble “commitment to eggsalad” Davis will be out the door with money flowing from all pores.
NotJohnnyDamon - July 1, 2008
Do we need Embree??
I know a team can never have enough bullpen help but with Ziggy and the boys….Embree better step things up. Easy to say after he S!
$the bed like tonight I guess.A'sFanInNoMansLand - July 1, 2008
Gone to the gym
need to manage some anger, before I take it all out on Jaymee.
149 - July 1, 2008
Barton and this anemic offense
is as bad as Embree. Somehow, Billy needs to acquire some offense. I have no ideas on who is realistically available, but it just seems apparent when Barton, Sweeney, and Suzuki come up in the ninth and you have no hope of any of them hitting a home run.
pedoman - July 1, 2008
Bonds.
mikev - July 1, 2008
Eww,
but yes. Never thought I’d say that.
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
Ewww?
or yes?????
mrod - July 1, 2008
The yes.
I know someone who has been in the dugout with Bonds and knows his temperament first hand. He CAN be a cancer.
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
Embree The Great!
I knew once he (Embree) came in the game it was over for the A’s. I think Geren is blowing in the wind. BLOW OUT OF HERE!!!
rduron - July 1, 2008
When AE came in...
I turned to my wife and said, “What is Geren doing? We’re not up by five? Game over, we lose.“
Unfortunately, I was right.
I think I just verp’d. That annoying vomity-burp.
NotJohnnyDamon - July 1, 2008
Ugh!
I hate that!
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
Don't give up on Embree
One bad game does not a career or season make.
Career Totals 36 40 4.49 814 4 0 0 25 - 720.1 687 389 359 87 19 262 655
We don’t need another bat. Frank will be back soon.
A'sfansince1970 - July 1, 2008
This loss really hurts
After ziggy gave 2 perfect innings and Elly gave us the lead to have AE give up 3 big ones just makes me want to vomit repeatedly on myself…....yick!
mrod - July 1, 2008
What's upsetting...
...is that it’s a game against your rivals and your 6 outs away from being only 2.5 out. Why not go for broke. Throw everybody in to get those outs. Don’t leave some poor guy out there to get shelled when he doesn’t have it. I don’t think it’s not too early to say every game counts now.
Coach Cleats - July 1, 2008
Agreed Coach!
mrod - July 1, 2008
NO, THAT'S STUPID!!!!! MIKEA KNOWS MORE THAN YOU DO AND ALL OF US, TOO!
mikev - July 1, 2008
When is the mikev vs. mikea celebrity death match?
Coach Cleats - July 1, 2008
Agreed…this is a momentum game as well. Every game against your rival and division leader should be played as such. Frustrating!
A'sFanInNoMansLand - July 1, 2008
Pass the Malox!!
mrod - July 1, 2008
Or even,
the Maalox. I ned it.
lynnzgal - July 1, 2008
Having Embree pitch is one thing
But someone explain why you would A) pitch to Vlad and B) have the infield in.
Just plain dumb is all I can say.
My roommate who is a Yankee Fan said, “What a moronic move”
Trainman - July 1, 2008
Jersey
I wonder where I could purchase a Geren jersey…..urp…urp…urp.
A'sFanInNoMansLand - July 1, 2008
Are you going to burn it when you get it?
Trainman - July 1, 2008
I ran out of Charmin
A'sFanInNoMansLand - July 1, 2008
Voice of reason here.
It’s ONE GAME people! It’s July 1st! It’s a marathon, not a sprint! The A’s will win tomorrow, Dana Eveland will pitch a gem, and order will be restored. We have won funky games from the Angels (the sulk off) so maybe it was their turn. See you all tomorrow, and for goodness sakes, calm down! We still have half a season left!
A'sfansince1970 - July 1, 2008
It's not just about today...we can't continue to manage the bullpen this way. This is a downward spiral and if you think we're going to have a ton of momentum tomorrow night...god bless you for your great attitude.
A'sFanInNoMansLand - July 1, 2008
Yeah it's one game but
A game we needed and should have won.
It’s one thing to lose 11-1 to the Giants even though worthless Blanton was pitching but it’s another to blow a game with suspect managerial decisions. Yes, we are fans on a message board but even a deaf, dumb and Blind mute would have to common sense to walk Vlad and failing that, not have the field drawn in. Hindsight is 20/20 but I and many others wondered why he didn’t walk Vlad before it happened.
Would Ziggy pitching another inning have hurt?
He was very economical so I doubt it
There are many more games left but if you consider Blanton pitching every 5th start then we need to win 3 games with the other starters to compensate.
Trainman - July 1, 2008
Fire Geren Now......
Light Embree on fire!! Embree, Geren: You have now achieved sucktatude status.
rickey939 - July 1, 2008
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